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emanresu
post Fri, 16 Aug 2019 - 13:02
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Received a "Welcome to ..." voucher in the form of a parking ticket at a local south coast council. Appealed it and it was cancelled, so a Flame Pit question

The reason for the issue was "No valid permit". The instructions on the permit says:

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1. Write the vehicle registration clearly in ink in the box as step 1. Failure to complete the registration means a permit is not valid and a PCN may be issued

2. Scratch out one panel only from each of the following sections: a) Date b) Month

If you scratch out the wrong panel or more than one panel in each section, the permit is not valid and a PCN may be issued.

3. Display the permit so that all the details can be clearly seen from outside the vehicle. Do this by: a) placing the permit securely on the dashboard, or b) folding the top of the permit over your nearside window with the permit on the inside and close the window completely.


What strikes me in hindsight about these instructions is how clear they are and how many of the usual driver failures it covers. Surely a driver couldn't fail to understand the instructions and yet it appears I did.

On the front side there are 3 boxes - month, day, VRM. There is another box for validity where the council have date stamped the voucher. The same box has a space for a Zone but that was blank. It doesn't explicitly mention the zone in the instructions but that was my failure according to the council. My appeal was on the basis of "hidden terms" which seems to have led to the cancellation.

Have a feeling there may be a bit of profiting from unclear terms going on here, but can't use the TPT.

So what options might there be?

This post has been edited by emanresu: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 - 13:06
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post Fri, 16 Aug 2019 - 13:18
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Hanlons razor springs to mind. I would first want to know the reason for cancelation


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post Fri, 16 Aug 2019 - 13:42
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Holding a poll is not a good way to get the correct answer.

C.f. Brexit, Corbyn, Trump.
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emanresu
post Fri, 16 Aug 2019 - 13:48
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The gist of the reply was that they considered my appeal; cancelled the ticket; but I should have put in the zone. So by inference (again) they shouldn't have cancelled the ticket.

Now the "zone" box is where the council date stamp for validity. As the driver can't date stamp to make it valid, why should the driver presume the zone should be filled in? My suspicion is that the council should have put the zone in each permit as well as the date stamp but failed to do it. There is certainly no instruction anywhere on the signs or the permits that the zone information is needed. So did they notice a failure by their own people or were they correct to say the driver (me) should have put in the zone when there was no instruction to do so.

I'm keen to take it further either to get the council to reprint their vouchers IF they want zone information and, if possible, get refunds to those in a similar position who paid up.
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post Fri, 16 Aug 2019 - 22:14
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QUOTE (666 @ Fri, 16 Aug 2019 - 14:42) *
Holding a poll is not a good way to get the correct answer.

C.f. Brexit, Corbyn, Trump.

We got the correct answer for two out of the three examples you give, so I think this shows a poll is the way tot go.


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speedfighter23
post Mon, 19 Aug 2019 - 23:30
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In Beverly Hills I got a parking ticket as well for leaving a car overnight on the street (you aren't allowed to apparently due to ordnance rules, everyone has a driveway anyway lol).

I also know that they cancel first timer tickets if you ask them, this rule is probably for tourists like me who don't expect one!

I got a ticket and applied for it to be cancelled so it got done so (didn't want rental company taking fine out of my credit card!)

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Redivi
post Tue, 20 Aug 2019 - 09:58
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I've assumed the LA in the title stands for Local Authority not Los Angeles
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