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Which is why many Republicans are nervous about the precedent being set....

Gun control after a mass shooting (a bad one like Orlando or Virginia Tech or Vegas) is much close to a national emergency.

The other issue is that the constitution specifically lays out that Congress is responsible for allocating spending, the Military cannot act on US soil (national guard have to do that) so you have the additional block that the military cannot fund the national emergency resolution on US soil anyway.....Only if the wall is to be built in Mexico!


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That's why the Trumpers are having to raid military construction funds - which fairly obviously can be for activities on US soil.


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Declaring a national emergency in order to get stuff done isn’t really setting that much of a precedent, it seems:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/president...al-emergencies/

Clearly, building the wall is a stupid waste of money, designed solely to placate his racist base, but declaring a national emergency to do it is possibly not as controversial as it might first appear.
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QUOTE (Spandex @ Tue, 19 Feb 2019 - 22:34) *
Clearly, building the wall is a stupid waste of money, designed solely to placate his racist base, but declaring a national emergency to do it is possibly not as controversial as it might first appear.

If they built it like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxV3FgSFB-k it may well prove to be very effective, whether it would be worth the cost is another matter.

I find the views expressed by many people in the UK to be hypocritical, I don't recall anyone objecting to the miles and miles of walls, fencing and barbed wire that was installed by the UK government in northern France to keep immigrants out of the ports at Calais and Dunkirk and the eurotunnol site. Indeed you could argue the UK / France border is one of the most fortified intra-EU borders (at least for now).

I'll also never understand why breaking immigration law is seen by so many as being "less wrong" than braking other sorts of laws. The stated position of so many people seems to be that illegal immigrants should have their immigration offences effectively pardoned, yet not so many people argue the same policy of leniency should apply to burglars, tax evaders, fraudsters, shoplifters...


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QUOTE (Spandex @ Tue, 19 Feb 2019 - 22:34) *
Declaring a national emergency in order to get stuff done isn’t really setting that much of a precedent, it seems:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/president...al-emergencies/

Clearly, building the wall is a stupid waste of money, designed solely to placate his racist base, but declaring a national emergency to do it is possibly not as controversial as it might first appear.



Almost all of these were sanctions placed on overseas individuals. And the reasons this power is used (and has been by successive Presidents both Republican and Democrat) is that it is swift.

This is only the second military national emergency.
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QUOTE (cp8759 @ Wed, 20 Feb 2019 - 01:04) *
I don't recall anyone objecting to the miles and miles of walls, fencing and barbed wire that was installed by the UK government in northern France to keep immigrants out of the ports at Calais and Dunkirk and the eurotunnol site. Indeed you could argue the UK / France border is one of the most fortified intra-EU borders (at least for now).

But they already have extensive border barriers, the issue for the US southern border is that the majority of illegal immigrants and also smuggling is already coming through the formal ports of entry, what the sane people are arguing for is improved resourcing to deter/detect the 90% coming through the official ports of entry and not the remaing circa 10% coming through weak points in the existing physical barriers (which already has over $1B signed off this year for maintenance and upgrading to the latest 'not Trump 's wall' barriers).


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QUOTE (Unzippy @ Wed, 20 Feb 2019 - 05:51) *
This is only the second military national emergency.

What was the other one?

I also doubt any of the numerous "national emergencies" were declared solely in order to do an end run around Congressional opposition. Trump is slowly consolidating his authoritarian powers. All very predictable, unfortunately. Will he step down when his term(s) are over, I wonder?

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QUOTE (Churchmouse @ Wed, 20 Feb 2019 - 11:03) *
QUOTE (Unzippy @ Wed, 20 Feb 2019 - 05:51) *
This is only the second military national emergency.

What was the other one?

I'm assuming post 9/11 attacks.
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QUOTE (Tartarus @ Wed, 20 Feb 2019 - 13:52) *
QUOTE (Churchmouse @ Wed, 20 Feb 2019 - 11:03) *
QUOTE (Unzippy @ Wed, 20 Feb 2019 - 05:51) *
This is only the second military national emergency.

What was the other one?

I'm assuming post 9/11 attacks.

Here's a list of the 28 active US national emergencies (from 2017; before Trump's one). So yes, almost exclusively economic sanctions. Enjoy. biggrin.gif

QUOTE (CNN)
1. Blocking Iranian Government Property (Nov. 14, 1979)
2. Proliferation of Weapons of Mass Destruction (Nov. 14, 1994)
3. Prohibiting Transactions with Terrorists Who Threaten to Disrupt the Middle East Peace Process (Jan. 23, 1995)
4. Prohibiting Certain Transactions with Respect to the Development of Iranian Petroleum Resources (Mar. 15, 1995)
5. Blocking Assets and Prohibiting Transactions with Significant Narcotics Traffickers (Oct. 21, 1995)
6. Regulations of the Anchorage and Movement of Vessels with Respect to Cuba (Mar. 1, 1996)
7. Blocking Sudanese Government Property and Prohibiting Transactions with Sudan (Nov. 3, 1997)
8. Blocking Property of Persons Who Threaten International Stabilization Efforts in the Western Balkans (Jun. 26, 2001)
9. Continuation of Export Control Regulations (Aug. 17, 2001)
10. Declaration of National Emergency by Reason of Certain Terrorist Attacks (Sept. 14, 2001)
11. Blocking Property and Prohibiting Transactions with Persons who Commit, Threaten to Commit, or Support Terrorism (Sept. 23, 2001)
12. Blocking Property of Persons Undermining Democratic Processes or Institutions in Zimbabwe (Mar. 6, 2003)
13. Protecting the Development Fund for Iraq and Certain Other Property in Which Iraq has an Interest (May 22, 2003)
14. Blocking Property of Certain Persons and Prohibiting the Export of Certain Goods to Syria (May 11, 2004)
15. Blocking Property of Certain Persons Undermining Democratic Processes or Institutions in Belarus (Jun. 16, 2006)
16. Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Conflict in the Democratic Republic of the Congo (Oct. 27, 2006)
17. Blocking Property of Persons Undermining the Sovereignty of Lebanon or Its Democratic Processes and Institutions (Aug. 1, 2007)
18. Continuing Certain Restrictions with Respect to North Korea and North Korean Nationals (Jun. 26, 2008)
19. Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Conflict in Somalia (Apr. 12, 2010)
20. Blocking Property and Prohibiting Certain Transactions Related to Libya (Feb. 25, 2011)
21. Blocking Property of Transnational Criminal Organizations (Jul. 25, 2011)
22. Blocking Property of Persons Threatening the Peace, Security, or Stability of Yemen (May 16, 2012)
23. Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Ukraine (Mar. 6, 2014)
24. Blocking Property of Certain Persons With Respect to South Sudan (Apr. 3, 2014)
25. Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Conflict in the Central African Republic (May 12, 2014)
26. Blocking Property and Suspending Entry of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Venezuela (Mar. 9, 2015)
27. Blocking the Property of Certain Persons Engaging in Significant Malicious Cyber-Enabled Activities (Apr. 1, 2015)
28. Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Burundi (Nov. 23, 2015)


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You think he can think like that?
I don't think he can think like that.
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QUOTE (captain swoop @ Thu, 21 Feb 2019 - 23:32) *
I don't think he can think.

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Trump's former lawyer and deputy treasurer of the Republican Party in his testimony to Congress about Trump.

Cohen apologised for his earlier false statements to Congress, which he claimed were "reviewed and edited" by Mr Trump's lawyers.

“I recognize that some of you may doubt and attack me on my credibility. It is for this reason that I have incorporated into this opening statement documents that are irrefutable, and demonstrate that the information you will hear is accurate and truthful.”

Cohen testified that, contrary to Mr Trump's repeated claims, he seemed to have advance knowledge of a meeting at Trump Tower in Manhattan between his campaign aides and a Russian lawyer promising "dirt" on Mrs Clinton. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, a Florida Democrat who led the DNC when it was hacked, asked the witness: "Is it possible the whole [Trump] family is conflicted or compromised with a foreign adversary in the months before the election?"
Cohen said yes.

He submitted to the committee a copy of his $130,000 (£97,000) wire transfer to Stormy Daniels to keep her quie.
Cohen also gave the panel a copy of a $35,000 cheque dated August 2017 - one of a series he said Mr Trump signed to pay him back in instalments which trump denies existed.

Cohen says he was asked to pay off a woman that claims to have had Trumps child.

He said Mr Trump arranged for an anonymous bid to pay highest price - of $60,000 - for a portrait of himself during an auction in the Hamptons, an affluent enclave of New York state, then paid for it illegally from the account of his self-named charitable foundation, before hanging the picture in one of his country clubs.

He told lawmakers he wrote letters on behalf of Mr Trump threatening the Republican candidate's high school and colleges not to release his grades to reporters.

He says Mr Trump admitted to him he had no medical evidence of the bone spurs in his foot that he once claimed to obtain a draft deferment during the Vietnam War. He says Mr Trump told him: "You think I'm stupid, I wasn't going to Vietnam"

He will release all 11 checks Trump made out to him as part of a criminal campaign finance violation scheme

Cohen said federal prosecutors in New York are investigating some unspecified crime involving Trump and his family.
Cohen said he could not divulge what they discussed because it was currently being investigated by the Southern District of New York prosecutor.
Raja Krishnamoorthi asked "Is there any other wrongdoing or illegal act that you are aware of regarding Donald Trump that we haven't yet discussed today?"
Cohen replied "Yes, and again, those are part of the investigation that is currently being looked at by the Southern District of New York," Cohen replied.

Republican comments to Cohen included Arizona Republican Paul Gosar who told Cohen: "Look at the old adage that our moms taught us: 'Liar, liar pants on fire.'
Cohen replied “I did the same thing you’re doing now for ten years… the people who do what I did and follow Trump blindly will follow the same fate I did”

Fordham University confirms Michael Cohen’s testimony that Donald Trump threatened legal action if his academic records were released which by law they can't do anyway.

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There are a number of sources on Youtube of his full speech but I'd recommend the BBC one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjJX08dggYE

Some of the Q&A after was really rather funny, it's clear the Democrats were much much better prepared than the Republicans, 3 of whom at least made a total hash of their times slots.


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You could have summed up the Republicans' use of their time (little of which they devoted to actually asking questions) as just constant tirades of "he's a liar, he tells lies, don't believe anything he says!". A rather strange position to take since it would rule out using any witness who was inside a criminal operation and was then "turned" to give evidence in a trial against their ex-partners in crime; unless...


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For some of the Republican gaffs during the session Seth Myers is great! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ytg29ps2uI

Isn't it amazing how the 'party of law and order' that used to think witness flipping was great and how it helped bring down organised crime/mob bosses now think it "should be made almost like illegal"..... Just in case it brings down a particular possible organised crime boss!

Looks like they could be looking seriously at Tax returns (valuations used in loan applications versus valuations in tax declarations), where is Elliot Ness when you need him?


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That Cohen is such a slimeball and low life crook should make the GOP ask what the heck they were doing making him party treasurer in the first place!
Plus, what does it say about Trump that he would need to hire someone like Cohen?

As for still telling lies, he's already convicted. He is getting three years for 'minor' crimes because he told all to the Feds and handed over all his documents and tapes.
If any of his testimony to the House differs from what he told Mueller his plea deal is out of the window and he is right back in court for a lot more years in jail.
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QUOTE (captain swoop @ Thu, 28 Feb 2019 - 20:41) *
That Cohen is such a slimeball and low life crook should make the GOP ask what the heck they were doing making him party treasurer in the first place!
Plus, what does it say about Trump that he would need to hire someone like Cohen?

As for still telling lies, he's already convicted. He is getting three years for 'minor' crimes because he told all to the Feds and handed over all his documents and tapes.
If any of his testimony to the House differs from what he told Mueller his plea deal is out of the window and he is right back in court for a lot more years in jail.

This is the first non-TDS post you've made in this entire thread. I'm worried you might be recovering.

I am not surprised that, slowly but surely, through the peeling away of layers of sleaze and corruption, Trump is being exposed as a liar, a sleaze and a crook. What has always been more worrying for me was that all of this had been blatantly obvious years and years before he ever ran for President, and yet, he was elected. Trump will eventually leave us (much to the chagrin of the big media businesses, I'm sure), but those people will remain. More worrying for me is the effect Trump seems to have had on the general disposition of not only the US government, but also public discourse in the United States. It has been notably coarsened and cheapened over the last few years, but I may be giving Trump too much credit. He may just be a symptom of something else that won't be going away when he does... sad.gif

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The cheapening and coarsening of discourse was really highlighted by Sarah Palin (Who John McCain apparently had huge misgivings over selecting as running mate and later much regretted it), though whether she was also cause or symptom it's hard to say.

As you say, it's been apparent to many people for a long time that the Chump was just an obnoxious slimeball who only wanted to make himself richer, it emphasises a failing in modern political processes that so many could be duped by so much for so long (Sorry for the slight plagiarism Winston).......


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South Korean intelligence officials have reported seeing new activity at North Korea's Tongchang-ri nuclear launch site.

Less than a week after President Donald Trump’s second summit with Kim Jong Un in Vietnam, South Korean intelligence officials report they have seen indications that North Korea is actively working at nuclear sites the country agreed to dismantle.

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I'm surprised the Democrats haven't started investigating Tump's breaks at Mar-e-Lago. OK, he's using his own property, fair enough, but how can it not be abuse of office when the Secret Service have to rent rooms, golf carts, pay for food etc. in order to do their job, from the Organization that Trump controls?
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