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Ms8692
post Wed, 29 Mar 2017 - 12:31
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Dear all,

I need your advice urgently. I received to my old address an order for recovery of unpaid penalty charge on the 14/02/17. I left that address in 2016 so I was unaware of the letter until yesterday when I went to my old address to check any post.
Now the given 21 days time to pay the fine of 203 £ is finished.
But the most important thing: I did not drive on the day mentioned. I do not own a car. I did not rent any car on the day mentioned. I never rent a car from the company mentioned.
What should I do? Pay the fine then contest? Can I still send the statutory declaration in case of fraud AND after the 21 days? What is the procedure? I do not want any criminal offence especially when I am the victim of a fraud!
Help please!!!

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post Mon, 22 May 2017 - 14:56
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Thanks for your reply.

Actually I am going to do the Stat Dec/OOT only now.. It has been delayed since WM council put the case on hold for a while:
they asked me to email them my old and new driving licenses copies, plus I attached a blank paper with my writing and signature on it - I asked them to compare the signatures from my driving licenses and this paper to the 'hire agreement' they were given. They replied with a letter stating that , "although the hire agreement was signed using only your surname", the provided "evidence is insufficient". And I want to mention here: all my documents contain an identical signature composed of both my forename and surname, and is quite complicated to reproduce. WM council had a car hire agreement in front of them with a totally different signature and still considered the evidence insufficient.


SO now, I understand I need to go back to PCN stage (thanks to you guys, I was quite lost..) Could you help me to write my OOT?


to recap: TIMELINE:

- Contravention by someone else using my name occurred on 28/10/16
- According to WM council (details obtained over the phone): WM council investigated vehicle registration; found out it was a car from AK vehicle management ltd; AK provided my driving license details (with old address) and a car hire agreement in my name and presumably signed by me
- WM Council sent a PCN on my previous address on 18/11/16
- yet I left my previous address on 01/11/16
- I did not go to check my mail regularly (didn't need it since I changed my addresses with banks etc.) + someone may have intercepted my mail since it was a shared house with 10 other different people
- WM council sent an OfR of unpaid penalty charge on 14/02/17
- I checked my previous address mail only in 03/17 which is why I submit an OOT
- I reported the misuse of my details to Action Fraud in 04/17


So in terms of writing Stat Dec/OOT:

-->In the Stat Decl:
-I have to tick "I did not receive notice"
-In the box below "my reasons are": explain that i did not receive the PCN because I already moved out on 01/11/16, the PCN was sent on 18/11/16 and did not go back to check the mail regularly? Do I keep it as brief (small box) or do I mention here I was living in a shared house with 10 different people that could have intercepted my mail? shall I add any other details such as the misuse of my details by someone?
-And then I need the representations/signatures.

-->In the OOT :
-Shall I summarize the situation and explain:
-first why I am filing an OOT (moved out, did not check mail, shared house/possibilty of mail interception)
-then explain that someone used my details in this contravention, I did not sign any hiring agreement that day, and never registered with AK company
-that the matter of fraud has been reported to Action Fraud (mention Action Fraud ref number)
-that the particular circumstances have already been verbally reported to WM council



I tried to gather the information in order so you don't need to go back on previous posts. Really sorry for such a long message, and thanks a lot for your help!!



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Ms8692
post Mon, 22 May 2017 - 19:53
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I cannot believe this.

THe same thing happened again !!! I received a letter today, on my current address this time. Someone AGAIN misused my details! for a parking contravention that occurred in JANUARY!

I'm going to call Action Fraud tomorrow morning, plus the debt recovery department. Please see attached letter, I need your help urgently sad.gif

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post Mon, 22 May 2017 - 20:00
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That last one is for a private parking ticket and there is nothing usually to do when you get something from DRP. But why have you blanked out the car reg?
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post Mon, 22 May 2017 - 20:04
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I don't know I thought it is a personal information which can retrieve my details (I have no idea) if not Im happy to share it...

Is there nothing to do? how is this possible any one can give my name and details and I can receive a penalty charge?
I will contact the police right now I really do not want to pay for someone else's transgressions!

edit: it looks like it is the same person involved, again someone around hounslow (southall this time).

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post Mon, 22 May 2017 - 20:15
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Is it the same car reg as before? You may as well give it if it's nothing to do with you.

You don't have to worry about this DRP letter too much as nothing can happen unless the parking company start chasing you. Company is called Four Seasons Security. They don't look to be a cowboy company and may back off if you call them.

http://www.four-seasons-security.com
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Ms8692
post Mon, 22 May 2017 - 20:30
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No it is not the same car registration number (it's BO53GEE)

Okay thanks, will report this to Action Fraud and call four seasons security asap.
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post Mon, 22 May 2017 - 20:32
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Ok - don't do anything though until other members chip in.

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post Mon, 22 May 2017 - 21:38
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On the other hand if this is the sort of place they run parking for then maybe the website is a bit of a front:

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.502,-0.39...3312!8i6656
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post Mon, 22 May 2017 - 21:45
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QUOTE (Ms8692 @ Mon, 22 May 2017 - 21:30) *
BO53GEE


A 61 plate BMW 7 series. With plate change.


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post Mon, 22 May 2017 - 21:50
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QUOTE (peterguk @ Mon, 22 May 2017 - 22:45) *
QUOTE (Ms8692 @ Mon, 22 May 2017 - 21:30) *
BO53GEE


A 61 plate BMW 7 series. With plate change.


Indeed - and its MOT expired last July and it's SORNed. Date of PCN is Jan this year.
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post Tue, 23 May 2017 - 16:15
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Can we get back to the case in hand 😏

OP, you have omitted the key point which is that you had not signed a hiring agreement for the vehicle in question and that whoever gave your details to the hire company did so fraudulently. In addition to fraudulently using your name, they provided an address at which you were not resident on the date of the contravention. The hire company and the authority were unaware of this and consequently the latter addressed the PCN to an address at which you could not be served. As would be expected, you were unaware that these notices had been issued and only became aware when .......

I've cut a few corners here, but you want to get the key issues over and not put doubt in their minds hence why I've referred to you not residing at the address given to the authority on the day of the contravention and not that you used to but had moved.

But even the above rises questions. For example, why were the authority's notices not returned to sender?



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