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post Wed, 18 Feb 2015 - 13:35
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http://www.eveningtelegraph.co.uk/news/loc...-court-1.839969

VCS taken 13 motorists to Court in Dundee for unpaid tickets

Is this a first for something like this in Scotland ?
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post Wed, 18 Feb 2015 - 13:39
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If the cases go ahead & they lose, this could blow them out of the water in Scotland. They raised a few court cases a number of months ago but they were all withdrawn at the last moment. Sounds like some of these people have unwisely admitted to being the driver.
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post Wed, 18 Feb 2015 - 13:44
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Why would it blow them out the water, it hasn't in England?

I suspect it is scare tactics as usual, if enough pay up when confronted with papers it pays for itself even if they have no intention of actually going to court


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post Wed, 18 Feb 2015 - 13:46
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Neil said: “I play snooker at the Old Mill Snooker Club and I’ve been going there for years. I was later told there is an allocated parking space for the Old Mill — but I’ve even had tickets after parking there.

“I’ve chalked up at least 30 parking tickets over two years but I’ve never bothered replying to them. My uncle is a lawyer and he told me you don’t need to pay them because there is no law written in Scotland.

“I’ve been continuing to ignore them and I got a letter through two weeks ago saying I have to go to court. I’ve passed it on to my uncle who is now dealing with it.

“They should make more effort in terms of not letting people park there by putting up a barrier.

“A sign on the wall with little writing is not going to stop me from parking there.

“Until the law changes, I’ll never pay these charges.”


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post Wed, 18 Feb 2015 - 14:07
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Indeed, as defences go, it's more aiding the appellant! Especially when it's for multiple events, signage visibility ceases to become a defence at some point and the court is likely to take the view that the defendant is frankly extracting the urine.

199 Why did you ask if these are the first Scottish cases then mention the earlier ones in your second post? That seems a bit 'silly' really!


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post Wed, 18 Feb 2015 - 14:08
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I hope defendants have a good defence prepared. I am sure VCS will not just show up and say we want your money.

Any PPP defences being deployed?

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post Wed, 18 Feb 2015 - 14:32
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Wed, 18 Feb 2015 - 14:07) *
Indeed, as defences go, it's more aiding the appellant! Especially when it's for multiple events, signage visibility ceases to become a defence at some point and the court is likely to take the view that the defendant is frankly extracting the urine.

199 Why did you ask if these are the first Scottish cases then mention the earlier ones in your second post? That seems a bit 'silly' really!


It's worse than that , he's claiming he saw the sign but decided to ignore it . Not a great defence point , equally as idiotic as they should put barriers up .
Not quite sure what law change he's thinking of without which he's safe
if he tries to run the " I was not the driver " defence besides being a lie it is useless on a multiple ticket without proof he wasn't


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post Wed, 18 Feb 2015 - 15:00
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I think the 'I've been playing snooker and going there years' bit, along with the description of the tiny sign is enough for a 'balance of probabilities' driver admission.

And yes, he seems to have scuppered his inadequate signage argument.

All he's really got left is the penalty angle. As I say, good luck to you and your hotshot lawyer uncle!

Its the classic Stephen Thomas defence (i.e. not much of one really).

People like him only further the cause of VCS and 'their ilk'.


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Only seven were called

http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/local/dun...s-fate-1.841477


A test case is to take place at Dundee Sheriff Court in April to determine whether more than a dozen residents will have to pay private parking charges.

The residents have all refused to pay the various charges which have been levied against them by private parking company Vehicle Control Services (VCS) for flouting their localised private parking permit schemes. A similar test case is to be held in Edinburgh, court sources revealed.

If the action by VCS is successful, it could have ramifications for thousands of motorists across the country who are refusing to pay private parking charges.

VCS took legal action to bring the non-payers to court through the civil procedure and at a hearing at Dundee Sheriff Court on Thursday seven cases were called before Sheriff Ferguson.

As the parties discussed the first case involving Mark George Robb, who was defending the action, the sheriff ruled it was “inappropriate” to hear arguments in all the cases and set down Mr Robb’s as a “lead” case.

He then “sisted” all the other cases until April, meaning the action is frozen until the test case is determined by a sheriff.

A total of 13 cases were due to be heard but only seven were called.

One of the motorists being pursued is Morgan Atkinson, who says she received more than a dozen parking tickets while parked in a bay outside her ex-boyfriend’s flat in Trades Lane.

Another is Neil Hallyburton, who claims to have received more than 30 parking tickets from the firm within the space of two years.

The 31-year-old was issued with the fines as a result of parking without a permit on Brown Street.

He ignored demands for payment and is now being pursued for over £1,500.

He said: “Until the law changes, I’ll never pay these charges.”

Another motorist who is also being pursued claimed the firm was acting illegally by chasing motorists for parking fines.

A spokesman for Vehicle Control Services Ltd said: “The cases concerned relate to multiple and long-standing Parking Charge Notices relating to a variety of private sites/land and date back to 2012.

“Despite numerous reminders being sent, including those from our appointed debt recovery agencies, payment for the Parking Charge Notices remains outstanding.”
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post Mon, 10 Apr 2017 - 10:49
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Sheriff in Dundee has just found in favour of VCS - extreme case mind you where someone ignored 200 tickets with a charge of £24.5k.

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/...ack-five-years/

Any views on the implications in Scotland following this?

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QUOTE (VonSplatz @ Mon, 10 Apr 2017 - 11:49) *
Sheriff in Dundee has just found in favour of VCS - extreme case mind you where someone ignored 200 tickets with a charge of £24.5k.

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/...ack-five-years/

Any views on the implications in Scotland following this?



Keep up at the back:

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=112848


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post Mon, 10 Apr 2017 - 11:07
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No implications at all, all claims are not automatically unenforceable (Scotland or otherwise) as some idiots claim.
1/ The amount was agreed between both parties ahead of the case so it matters not if the Sheriff would award 1p or £50M, £24.5K was agreed
2/ The multiple tickets threw out a large number of normal defences (see post #6) in terms of signage and also the amount a court would consider reasonable as some of the 'costs of doing business' can be argued as a cost of trying to prevent repeated abuse.
3/ The driver had clearly (and arrogantly) identified themselves so that wasn't in question.
4/ It was a clear and blatant abuse of the landholders rights and an award (of some value) against the identified driver was in my opinion a near foregone conclusion

If I were to put my cynical hat on I would suspect the amount agreed on paper will never be paid and in fact a much lower amount was 'silently' agreed but the high amount gave VCS good publicity, it may even be that the whole case was rigged once she got proper legal advice that she was stuffed by her own arrogance and as such they went into damage limitation while handing VCS the newspaper inches they wanted.

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post Mon, 10 Apr 2017 - 19:53
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Thanks both - I had actually searched the forum for VCS and Dundee before posting here but those terms didn't throw up the press articles thread
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post Sat, 23 Jun 2018 - 11:53
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Hi - have today received a 'final demand before court action' from P-ollock Fairbridge Schiavone Solicitors for an alleged PCN issues in December 2015.

I vaguely recall a PCN in that location a long time ago, but can't remember receiving anything in relation to this in the last 2.5 years.

I know the Carly Mackie case has absolutely no relevance although they've mentioned it, presumably that's what has them excited about an ancient PCN in the same city.

Should I ignore?

Have tried and failed to upload the letter, so I'll go off and read how to do that and post it up asap.








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post Sun, 24 Jun 2018 - 07:20
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So you should also have read up on the "read this first" that it is one case one thread so start your own. The keeper cannot be held liable,only the driver, so make sure the driver is not identified
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QUOTE (VonSplatz @ Sat, 23 Jun 2018 - 12:53) *
Hi - have today received a 'final demand before court action' from P-ollock Fairbridge Schiavone Solicitors for an alleged PCN issues in December 2015.

I vaguely recall a PCN in that location a long time ago, but can't remember receiving anything in relation to this in the last 2.5 years.

I know the Carly Mackie case has absolutely no relevance although they've mentioned it, presumably that's what has them excited about an ancient PCN in the same city.

Should I ignore?

Have tried and failed to upload the letter, so I'll go off and read how to do that and post it up asap.


If its a single ticket and you haven't contacted them, continue to ignore. In theory they can take it to court but Scottish courts are a much bigger hurdle than doing it through MCOL in England and likely not worth the bother for a £100 ticket, especially when there is no keeper liability. Missing from that list is VCS v Robb where VCS claim for 8 tickets was thrown out when they could not prove Robb was the driver. All the cases listed here, the defendants identify themself as the driver and fatally undermine their defence.
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post Mon, 25 Jun 2018 - 08:36
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Thanks for the replies, confirms what I had hoped was the case.

Apologies for breaching the one thread: one case rule...I had thought it might be helpful to add it to this one given it's the same company, same city and they were citing the same earlier case.

If anything further happens I'll start a new thread.
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