tour of magistrates courts?, how long can they drag this out for???? |
tour of magistrates courts?, how long can they drag this out for???? |
Wed, 7 Jun 2006 - 11:21
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Member Group: Members Posts: 24 Joined: 7 Jun 2006 Member No.: 6,028 |
I was on me motorcycle in Dorset (bournemouth) on a dual carriageway, gotGATSO'd they reckon I was doing 61 in a 50....I don't think so
So: Did PACE letter for NIP, reply immediately; 3 points and £60 if you'd like to accept.... I don't want to accept this, got 28 days to reply, any ideas?[size=7] |
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Wed, 7 Jun 2006 - 11:50
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Member Group: Life Member Posts: 2,634 Joined: 15 Dec 2005 From: Staffordshire Member No.: 4,437 |
Hi,
Can you do the stuff in READ THIS FIRST so we have all the relervant information please. It is pretty common for you to get a COFP after a pace (ie they ignore it and pretend you filled the NIP in). If you want to fight your case your probabaly best to do nothing until you receive the summons, if you dont want to fight pay it. Regards Crystal This post has been edited by crystal: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 - 12:57 |
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Mon, 4 Dec 2006 - 05:59
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Member Group: Members Posts: 24 Joined: 7 Jun 2006 Member No.: 6,028 |
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Help! wrote to the court asking for abeyance re self incrimination ECHR. they say: must attend to do this at the court: at bottom of letter says this case must proceed.... I've not asked for the evidence against me yet as i had hoped for the abeyance to go through/and wanted to push the case into the new year (07) its now been 7 months since the 'alleged offence' (summons arrived 2 days before end of 6months + 1 for COFP (bastards!!!) I don't have a scanner so can't put details on here. So i woill now attend court ask for abeyance until ECHR case result comes out, and if in case if thats thrown out; good ideas/bad ideas? I'm thinking i should write to the court (now) and ask that the civilian operator be present + training certificates that they supply RTO for the road where scamera is supply GATSO certification/manual explain how why they think i'm guilty??? |
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Mon, 4 Dec 2006 - 18:04
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Member Group: Members Posts: 239 Joined: 17 Apr 2006 From: Merseyside Member No.: 5,359 |
Honestly, nobody can help you unless you post more details, you haven't even followed the advice Crystal gave you which would at least give us something !!
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Mon, 4 Dec 2006 - 20:07
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Member Group: Life Member Posts: 2,634 Joined: 15 Dec 2005 From: Staffordshire Member No.: 4,437 |
Hi,
Its best not to mix defences. Only ask for witness if you have a reason. You dont ask for evidence it is sent to you after a not gulity plea with a list of stuff they are not using which you can request. You really need to post the summons for real help. Either use a scannor a reasonable digital camera Regards Crystal |
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Mon, 4 Dec 2006 - 22:26
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Member Group: Members Posts: 50 Joined: 9 Nov 2006 Member No.: 8,862 |
Sorry, i dont know enough to advise you....
But just wanted to say great name |
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Tue, 19 Dec 2006 - 08:56
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Member Group: Members Posts: 24 Joined: 7 Jun 2006 Member No.: 6,028 |
According to the clerk of the court last week in XXXXXXXXXX Darset:
"All the prosecution have to show you is the photos" now being a bear of small brain, I'm wondering why then the scamerati are also trying to introduce my PACE letter...! (already objected to, BTW) the case was adjourned until april '07 I'd tried for an O'halloran objection but the wee pithy clerk suggested that that might take some time, great attitude on her, helpful, sympathetic, caring etc, oh and thats why I'm called mickturate snippy bitch or what, are they all like this? |
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Wed, 28 Mar 2007 - 10:18
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Member Group: Members Posts: 24 Joined: 7 Jun 2006 Member No.: 6,028 |
I sent a letter to ******* court clerk in ******* county, asking for a continuance of the Abeyance adjournment that I turnedup & asked for last time I was there....they've said NO you must attend, case to continue....however, all evidence/information asked for has not arrived.
I'm convinced this is a 'lets dick him around' thing so, does anybody know if I must attend to ask for an abeyance???? he who blinks first? |
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Wed, 28 Mar 2007 - 11:36
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Member Group: Members Posts: 428 Joined: 20 Jun 2006 From: Hertfordshire Member No.: 6,252 |
What evidence have they served on you up to now?
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Wed, 28 Mar 2007 - 12:07
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Member Group: Members Posts: 24 Joined: 7 Jun 2006 Member No.: 6,028 |
two photos black and two photos cleaned up....
+ affidavit to say that camera working ok ses scamera officer I've objected to me PACE being used, saying that I wish to plead not guilty at some later point/want to see evidence before I can do that, however, wish to see result of O'Halloran judgement first.... ******** County (check spelling) insist I appear to make case-buthave already done this once...its an extension of abeyance... |
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Wed, 28 Mar 2007 - 14:24
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Member Group: Members Posts: 428 Joined: 20 Jun 2006 From: Hertfordshire Member No.: 6,252 |
Have they included your PACE ws in the bundle?
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Wed, 28 Mar 2007 - 15:11
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Member Group: Members Posts: 24 Joined: 7 Jun 2006 Member No.: 6,028 |
nope, didn't see it there
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Thu, 29 Mar 2007 - 10:44
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Member Group: Members Posts: 428 Joined: 20 Jun 2006 From: Hertfordshire Member No.: 6,252 |
That is very good news, because without the evidence of who was driving being served on you before the hearing, the evidence is inadmissible. But make sure you read up on it and go prepared because they will try anything to include it.
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Thu, 30 Aug 2007 - 11:57
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Member Group: Members Posts: 24 Joined: 7 Jun 2006 Member No.: 6,028 |
I'm now due in yet another magistrates court, increasingly further away from my home-yet all within county.
So, 1) how long can they drag this out 2) refuse to give me any evidence except photos 3) is this an abuse of process? 4) where can I get T shirts printed 'fight the fight-Magistrates Tour 2006/20007'? LOl mick |
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Wed, 19 Sep 2007 - 17:39
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Member Group: Members Posts: 24 Joined: 7 Jun 2006 Member No.: 6,028 |
So, I lost.
I went with a plea of abuse of process: 'CPS will not give me sufficient information/evidence for me to make a considered opinion of 'if i'd made a mistake of speeding' that 'I thought the cameras were not type approved for motorcycles and that I should receive ALL evidence to be used against me 7 days before a trial' & that I was unprepared to go ahead as I was not ready = no evidence yet given by CPS & I fought long and hard = one and half hours & that feckin clerk to the court fought me on everything: PACE doesn't apply cos plod not involved. I objected to my PACE letter being used and the clerk then sed it can be 'introduced into evidence' (its a four letter word I'm thinking of .....) as Self incrimination no longer valid after O'Halloran (tho' to be fair the Barrister for CPS sed the same) I argued for abuse of process: evidence not given to me 7 days in advance-clerk ses 'they don't have to' they've given you everything they have to = photos and witless statement from the scamera people' So I argued that I'd asked for the camera stuff/type approval/flash sequences etc etc to help me make a reasonable decision NG or G... and oh BTW they last time you were in court the district judge sed 'CPS do not have to give you anything' and so 'thats binding' (I'm still thinking of that 4 letter word) District Judge i ses? oh yes she ses, oh Shi*t I sed: I thought that was a stipendiary-oh no she ses (all snotty) the district judge always sits by himself (i'm so pleased that these bastids explain everything eh?) so a district judge has now set precedent ???? that CPS do not have to give anything as evidence except photos & witless statements. the witless from the scameras was interesting: i blah blah been working with plod blah blah since noah was caught speeding in the harbour.... i questioned him; have you checked the spacing for the lines on t'road? oh no ses e, that up to the county council that is. he'd done a 1 day course on loading and unloading film and checking t'lines on a photo to see if they could fit folks up. thats it. you must be aware of the issues with gatso's & m'cycles? 'oh no ses he. never heard of any problims at'all atall' type approval? it ses all vehicles ses he.... still 3 points and £60 but costs.... the feckin costs...I argued em down by suggesting that this what CPS do-they use costs to punish a not guilty plea...and got a 200squid reduction. they deliberated for 40 mins btw and sed as i had offered no evidence....i was guilty. the barrister was a gent, tho' of course he tried the stitch up re costs & gave nothing, he argued law and i argued law back, the clerk (i'm sure thats a 4 letter word-begins the same letter!) sided at EVERY opportunity with him, she gave me nothing 'i'm trying to help you' ses she' (thanks a bunch the next time i'm on fire pour more petrol on eh?) the barrister did say i'd presented well; it were like doing me law exam agen, he sed-only he got paid this time methinks. i did me best, the game is rigged and shi*t alive if i can be tried in the same county as the tolpuddle martyrs and not be off to australia, i'm ahead of the game, eh? thanks all round to those who tried to help this (now poorer) country bumpkin, if i failed its cos I failed & the system is royall fu*cked mickturate This post has been edited by mick turate: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 - 18:14 |
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