pcn, pcn from smart parking |
pcn, pcn from smart parking |
Sat, 12 May 2018 - 12:01
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Member Group: Members Posts: 13 Joined: 12 May 2018 Member No.: 97,926 |
Hi all,new to this forum.
Just received a letter from smart parking for not paying. the driver still has the ticket,Do they just appeal to them on their website. Any help would be grateful never . Thanks This post has been edited by stephen1994: Sat, 12 May 2018 - 20:10 |
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Sat, 12 May 2018 - 14:11
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Member Group: Members Posts: 17,088 Joined: 8 Mar 2013 Member No.: 60,457 |
Lets see the NTK that you received redacted so that identifying details are removed. Leave dates.
Edit you first post so that the identity of the driver cannot be inferred. Use "the driver......" etc. perhapes received a ticket for the driver not paying? It is important that they don't get a hint of the driver and they read these forums. |
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Sat, 12 May 2018 - 14:13
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Member Group: Members Posts: 41,506 Joined: 25 Aug 2011 From: Planet Earth Member No.: 49,223 |
Yes, the driver identity is critical here as Smart do not use keeper liability. The notice only says the driver is liable?
-------------------- RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information, SAR=Subject Access Request Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it. |
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Sat, 12 May 2018 - 16:32
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Member Group: Members Posts: 13 Joined: 12 May 2018 Member No.: 97,926 |
Parking Charge Notice
PCN details Vehicle Registration Number Parking Charge Notice Contravention Date 11/04/2018 Contravention Time 10:17 Issue Date 08/05/2018 Make Unknown Colour Unknown Was seen in FANTASY ISLAND EXTRA, SKEGNESS Contravention Insufficient Paid Time the driver paid the actual parking ticket from the meter,but not sure how to upload it. Which shows the driver bought ticket at 10.20 and expires at expires 23.59 on 11 april 2018 This post has been edited by stephen1994: Sat, 12 May 2018 - 20:06 |
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Sat, 12 May 2018 - 16:36
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Member Group: Members Posts: 124 Joined: 22 Jul 2017 Member No.: 93,141 |
Remove the ticket number and reg
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Sat, 12 May 2018 - 16:39
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Member Group: Members Posts: 13 Joined: 12 May 2018 Member No.: 97,926 |
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Sat, 12 May 2018 - 16:46
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Member Group: Members Posts: 124 Joined: 22 Jul 2017 Member No.: 93,141 |
Looks like they jumped as soon as you left the car to buy the ticket.
I'd be referring them to the reply given in the Pressdram v Arkle episode. |
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Sat, 12 May 2018 - 16:49
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Member Group: Members Posts: 13 Joined: 12 May 2018 Member No.: 97,926 |
on the paperwork it says entered at 10.17 and exited at 11.12
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Sat, 12 May 2018 - 18:06
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Member Group: Members Posts: 9,985 Joined: 20 Aug 2008 Member No.: 21,992 |
Edit post #4.
I assume the driver bought the ticket. -------------------- Sometimes I use big words I don't understand in an effort to make myself sound more photosynthesis.
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Sat, 12 May 2018 - 18:08
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Member Group: Members Posts: 41,506 Joined: 25 Aug 2011 From: Planet Earth Member No.: 49,223 |
I'm wondering if the O in WOC is actually been typed in as a zero?
-------------------- RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information, SAR=Subject Access Request Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it. |
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Sat, 12 May 2018 - 18:18
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Member Group: Members Posts: 13 Joined: 12 May 2018 Member No.: 97,926 |
yes,driver bought the ticket
would it still be worth appealing against if the o is wrong? |
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Sat, 12 May 2018 - 20:02
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Member Group: Members Posts: 17,088 Joined: 8 Mar 2013 Member No.: 60,457 |
Why do peple ask for help and then ignore the advice to not identify the driver? And those that comment the same rules apply.
Read the READ THIS FIRST sticky at the top of the thread list to find out how to attach items to the forum. Was there a windscreen ticket? I assume not so therefore it is imperative that the driver is not identified as the Notice to Keeper was not delivered within the required 14 days and therefore there can be no keeper liability. Forget about the ticket Get editing or be prepared to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. That includes other contibutors This post has been edited by ostell: Sat, 12 May 2018 - 20:12 |
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Sat, 12 May 2018 - 20:11
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Member Group: Members Posts: 13 Joined: 12 May 2018 Member No.: 97,926 |
i have now edited my posts
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Sat, 12 May 2018 - 20:20
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Member Group: Members Posts: 17,088 Joined: 8 Mar 2013 Member No.: 60,457 |
So now go searching the forum for a BOGOFF response for failing to deliver. Post it here for critique before you send
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Sat, 12 May 2018 - 20:34
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Member Group: Members Posts: 13 Joined: 12 May 2018 Member No.: 97,926 |
something on the lines of this
I am the keeper of vehicle VRN xxx and refer to PCN xxxx that you sent to me on the (date). As the notice was not sent within 14 days.The notice fails to meet the requirements of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 namely, but not limited to, 9 (4) (b) failing to deliver within the 14 day relevant period and therefore cannot create any liability for the keeper and I therefore cannot be held liable for the actions of the driver on that day. As I have no liability in this matter I do not expect to hear from you again other than to confirm cancellation of the ticket. You are now required to cease processing my personal details and remove them from your database. Any further contact will be considered harassment. |
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Sat, 12 May 2018 - 20:55
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Member Group: Members Posts: 17,088 Joined: 8 Mar 2013 Member No.: 60,457 |
That will do. Easy wasn't it?
You could add that there is no legal requirement to identify the driver at the time and you will not be doing so. This post has been edited by ostell: Sat, 12 May 2018 - 20:59 |
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Sat, 12 May 2018 - 21:02
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Member Group: Members Posts: 13 Joined: 12 May 2018 Member No.: 97,926 |
thank you
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Fri, 15 Jun 2018 - 18:11
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Member Group: Members Posts: 13 Joined: 12 May 2018 Member No.: 97,926 |
So 35 days have passed since i appealed the pcn and heard nothing back from smart.
Do i just send them a email asking them to cancel the charge? |
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Fri, 15 Jun 2018 - 20:03
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Member Group: Members Posts: 17,088 Joined: 8 Mar 2013 Member No.: 60,457 |
Tell them that since they have not responded to your appeal within the 35 days required by their Code of Practice then you are assuming that your appeal was successful and you do not expect to hear from them again other than to confirm no further action.
This post has been edited by ostell: Fri, 15 Jun 2018 - 20:06 |
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Fri, 15 Jun 2018 - 20:12
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Member Group: Members Posts: 13 Joined: 12 May 2018 Member No.: 97,926 |
Sent them email
Thanks |
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