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Driver3121
post Sat, 19 Sep 2020 - 21:27
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After a month of ignoring an NPC fine I have just received this letter in the post, and not to sure what to think or do about it? Is this something I can ignore?
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post Sat, 19 Sep 2020 - 21:32
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Ignore has not been the advice since 2012

Have you got the original Notice to Keeper that you can post here, suitably redacted but leave dates.
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post Sat, 19 Sep 2020 - 21:44
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post Sat, 19 Sep 2020 - 21:52
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Dear Sirs,

I have just received your Notice to Keeper xxxxx for vehicle VRM xxxx

You have failed to comply with the requirements of Schedule 4 of The Protection Of Freedoms Act 2012 namely, but not limited to, failing to deliver the notice within the relevant period of 14 days as prescribed by section 9 (4) of the Act. Posting on the 14th day is insufficient, 9 (6) assumes 2 working days for delivery . You cannot, therefore, transfer liability for the alleged charge from the driver at the time to me, the keeper.

There is no legal requirement to name the driver at the time and I will not be doing so.

Any further communication with me on this matter, apart from confirmation of no further action and my details being removed from your records, will be considered vexatious and harassment. This includes communication from any Debt Collection companies you care to instruct.

Yours etc

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post Sat, 19 Sep 2020 - 22:01
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So I should send this to them and hopefully it will clear up

Also the xxxxx in your reply is that my name for the first and then my car registration?
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post Sat, 19 Sep 2020 - 22:07
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It won’t ‘clear it up’, they will reject ANY appeal (because they can).

As for debt collection agencies, they have no powers at all, other than writing letters that fool the poorly informed into thinking it’s serious. However NCP can and do raise court claims.


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post Sat, 19 Sep 2020 - 22:13
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So what is the point in sending the letter if it won’t clear up

Also is their any chance this fine can build in price then they hit with a bigger fine in a few months?
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post Sat, 19 Sep 2020 - 23:39
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They also seemed to have just missed the 14 day deadline - date of event 15th July - posted 29 July

Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (POFA). Sub-paragraph 9 (5) specifies that the relevant period for delivery of the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) for the purposes of sub-paragraph 9 (4) is a period of 14 days beginning with the day after that on which the specified period of parking ended. The relevant period is the 14-day period from: 16 July to 29 July inclusive.
Sub-paragraph 9 (6) states that a notice sent by post is to be presumed, unless the contrary is proved, to have been delivered (and so “given” for the purposes of sub-paragraph (4)) on the second working day after the day on which it is posted; and for this purpose, “working day” means any day other than a Saturday, Sunday or a public holiday in England and Wales - it was sent on 29 July so assumed to have been received on 3rd Aug so outside the specified timescale.
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post Sun, 20 Sep 2020 - 08:21
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QUOTE (Driver3121 @ Sat, 19 Sep 2020 - 23:13) *
So what is the point in sending the letter if it won’t clear up

Because you putting the planks of any court defence in place. Ignoring them is bad form (even if you know what the answers are).

QUOTE (Driver3121 @ Sat, 19 Sep 2020 - 23:13) *
Also is their any chance this fine can build in price then they hit with a bigger fine in a few months?

Welcome to the private parking industry. Yes, of course they'll make up fictitious costs and try and claim a sum more than they're entitled to.

They've already added the mythical £60 that many courts are striking out as an abuse of process.

They are mildly litigious (308 hearings in 2019) so assume a claim is likely. Collect/preserve evident, e.g. take photo's of location etc.

QUOTE (Driver3121 @ Sat, 19 Sep 2020 - 22:27) *
After a month of ignoring an NPC fine I have just received this letter in the post, and not to sure what to think or do about it? Is this something I can ignore?

Might be worth updating your thread as it's NCP and not NPC. They are quite different.

This post has been edited by Jlc: Sun, 20 Sep 2020 - 08:21


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RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution
PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information, SAR=Subject Access Request

Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it.
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post Sun, 20 Sep 2020 - 12:14
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QUOTE (Bigden136 @ Sun, 20 Sep 2020 - 00:39) *
They also seemed to have just missed the 14 day deadline - date of event 15th July - posted 29 July


Did you read post #4 ?

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