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Ambulance ticketed, Paramedic ticketed at Tesco Express Cheshire
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post Wed, 25 Jul 2018 - 10:10
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Papers carrying a story about a Paramedic's ambulance bing ticketed at a Tesco Express Kingsmead Cheshire.

Anyone know who the PPC is?
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post Fri, 27 Jul 2018 - 15:53
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QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Fri, 27 Jul 2018 - 16:38) *
Based on the goodies I used to snaffle from ambulances at RTAs I’d answer in the affirmative.


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post Fri, 27 Jul 2018 - 16:47
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Being a bit of a gannet, my packed lunch for an 8 hour day weighs about a kilo, so that’s 1.5kg for a 12 hour shift, in addition in this weather I reckon I may just manage on 3litres of fluids, but that’s not a given, crew of two and you double that up.


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post Fri, 27 Jul 2018 - 20:33
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You must eat a hell of a lot to need a 1kg packed lunch. However even given your figures we're talking about a small backpack at most.


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post Fri, 27 Jul 2018 - 21:00
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Ambulances are always well stocked with cakes but in this weather on a day shift any sandwiches/water etc. will be warm by afternoon.

It's like if at work rather than being able to use the fridge you had to put your lunch on a sunny window sill. And rather than using the water cooler, you drink from a bottle on a sunny windowsill. It's not a deal breaker, but if you get 10 minutes to pop to a shop and get food/drink from a fridge you'd probably jump at it.
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post Sat, 28 Jul 2018 - 00:21
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Thu, 26 Jul 2018 - 05:31) *
QUOTE (Churchmouse @ Wed, 25 Jul 2018 - 23:08) *
That is all it is, really. The Supreme Court-accepted legal mechanism at play in private parking is that a PPC makes an offer of parking to a driver of a vehicle, that driver--by parking--accepts the offer and a contract is formed (and immediately breached, by parking in violation of the terms and condition of the offer).

Fundamental misunderstanding CM, the driver does indeed enter a contract, but there is no breach at all, in this case EPS would normally hold to the fact the driver contracted to pay £100 (reduced for early payment) for parking on that DYL. It’s a type of ‘premium parking’ if you will.

Sorry, my reference to the Supreme Court was a little facetious... You're right, they haven't said that, but "parking law" essentially works that way. Contract law may differ...

An offer of parking usually says, in essence, that a driver is welcome to park only [here] or [there] and only [in this manner], and if the driver fails to abide by such terms, the driver agrees to pay £100. Fair enough. Such an offer could possibly be considered to be reasonable and could therefore reasonably be accepted (though I think you'd struggle to find many drivers who would actually agree that £100 is a reasonable sum!). But if a driver were to read such a contract and sign on the dotted line, or even orally say "I agree to those terms", there would be little left to say on this forum. Maybe there could be an enquiry into the consumer law implications of "unfair contracts", or "de minimis" breaches, but that's not relevant here.

One wheeze PPCs sometimes try to use is to turn a prohibition (a violation of licence; a trespass) into an "available option" (thus, a contract), but the courts have accepted that an offer that is "forbidding" is not an offer. (By the way, I find it astonishing that you think any driver would agree to pay £100 for the privilege of parking, e.g., outside a marked bay in a free car park. You cannot be serious.)

In any case, in order to accept an offer by conduct (which is the usual mode of contract acceptance in PPC cases), the conduct must unambiguously indicate that the driver has accepted the terms of the offer--and that means all of the terms of the offer, because an offer can only be accepted with an agreement that mirrors the offer. The driver simply could not agree to only some of the terms of the offer or attempt to impose a different price term, for example. Legally, that would be considered a rejection of the original offer and, perhaps, a counter-offer. It should also be clear that if a driver intentionally parks in a manner that is obviously not allowed by the offer of parking, such a driver would have had no intention of creating legal relations with the PPC and, therefore, could not have accepted that particular term of the offer (effectively rejecting the entire offer). However, getting a judge to let someone "off the hook" and "park for free" is another matter--even with the relatively low burden of proof in civil court. And of course, apart from their sworn testimony in court after the fact, we wouldn't know what the driver's "intentions" were at the time of parking. But we do know what the driver did, and in respect of the prohibited manner of parking, that (parking "in breach") would have been an ambiguous at bestacceptance--but it certainly was not an unambiguous, mirrored acceptance of the all of the terms of the offer. No contract; no breach.

There is a way around this, but PPCs seemingly never choose it.

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post Tue, 31 Jul 2018 - 05:02
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QUOTE (Fredd @ Fri, 27 Jul 2018 - 21:33) *
You must eat a hell of a lot to need a 1kg packed lunch.

Yup! 3 yoghurts, 3 pieces of fruit, sandwiches and 4 small snacks (as a guide mars bar 'snack' size but usually they are healthier than that like those boxes of raisins or muesli bars). That's what comes of burning 700 calories a day just getting to work and back. I also have a snack to top up when I get home from work before dinner.

Before anyone asks, my BMI is over 25 (26.6) but my body fat hovers around 14% (Categorised as 'fitness' for someone under 40 - and that was a while ago for me), I wear 32" waist trousers and I suffer from a low blood pressure.


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post Wed, 1 Aug 2018 - 17:22
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If your colleagues don't comment on how huge your lunch is then you're not cycling far enough smile.gif
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post Thu, 2 Aug 2018 - 10:09
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You're not wrong there.......well far enough or hard enough (7 miles and average about 16mph on a Hybrid with 3.5kg of pannier+contents hanging off the rack).


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I've been cycling and cutting out the junk food because I didn't want to look a disgrace in a swimsuit this year

Found out yesterday that I only had to go to the beach next to the local Butlins and stand near somebody
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sign10.gif I swear a modern day version of the Monty Python four Yorkshiremen sketch would instead feature four smug cyclists vying to paint themselves as the fittest, most righteous, and most persecuted of the lot!


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Even if we accept that the ambulance driver might have needed to carry a huge amount of snacks/comestibles on board the ambulance to keep him/her going all day, they then need to be extremely wary of what they do with the sandwich/crisp wrappers, etc.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/997960/dr...e-council-waste



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