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[NIP Wizard] Multiple NIPS in the same week - average speed cameras
Scootaboy
post Thu, 12 Jul 2018 - 19:14
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NIP Details and Circumstances
What is the name of the Constabulary? -
Date of the offence: - July 2018
Date of the NIP: - 2 days after the offence
Date you received the NIP: - 3 days after the offence
Location of offence (exact location as it appears on the NIP: important): - A6514 Valley Road Nottingham
Was the NIP addressed to you? - Yes
Was the NIP sent by first class post, second class or recorded delivery? - Not known
If your are not the Registered Keeper, what is your relationship to the vehicle? -
How many current points do you have? - 3
Provide a description of events (if you know what happened) telling us as much about the incident as possible - some things that may seem trivial to you may be important, so don't leave anything out. Please do not post personal details for obvious reasons - Having driven past these cameras for many years (switching lanes - yeah I know..) and having never been given a ticket I have managed to collect 3 in 4 days. 40 mph speed limit . 47,48 and 49mph. This will take me to 12 points and I need my car for work (would lose my job if banned). Do I send in the NIPS or get a Solicitor first? I'm not sure when i last did a speed awareness course it may well have been within the last three years (how do I find out?)
Any help/tips most appreciated. I am currently driving like a saint on cruise control....

Thanks


NIP Wizard Responses
These were the responses used by the Wizard to arrive at its recommendation:
Have you received a NIP? - Yes
Are you the Registered Keeper of the vehicle concerned (is your name and address on the V5/V5C)? - Yes
Did the first NIP arrive within 14 days? - Yes
Although you are the Registered Keeper, were you also the keeper of the vehicle concerned (the person normally responsible for it) at the time of the alleged offence? - Yes
Were you driving? - Yes
Which country did the alleged offence take place in? - England

NIP Wizard Recommendation
Based on these responses the Wizard suggested that this course of action should be considered:
  • The law requires you to provide the information requested in the Section 172 notice within the 28 day period, naming yourself as the driver. If you are considering obtaining formal legal advice, do so before returning the notice.

    You should note that there is nothing to be gained by responding any earlier than you have to at any stage of the process. You are likely to receive a Conditional Offer of a Fixed Penalty (COFP) and further reminder(s). If you want to continue the fight, you should ignore all correspondence from the police until you receive a summons. You need to understand from the outset that while you will receive much help and support from members on the forums, you will need to put time and effort into fighting your case and ultimately be prepared to stand up in court to defend yourself.

Generated by the PePiPoo NIP Wizard v3.3.2: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 19:14:17 +0000
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notmeatloaf
post Thu, 12 Jul 2018 - 19:47
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Are you sure there are no more on the way?

One of the offences should be eligible for a speed awareness course if you haven't done one within the last three years. If you phone them they can check eligibility through NDORS, the national system.

However, if you send a polite and apologetic letter with the S172s to the police (out of character, speed kills, learning my lesson) and ask them to consider combining the offences then they sometimes will - rationale being the whole point of points on your licence is to teach you to adjust your driving over time. Obviously just giving you 9 points in one go doesn't achieve this aim.

However obviously do not send this letter until you are certain you have nothing more in the post.

The police have considerably more discretion than the courts so make the letter good!

For future reference the changing lanes trick was meant to have been updated a long time ago - don't rely on it in any average speed cameras.

Do not bother with a solicitor at this stage, court, if it happens, is circa 6 months way, and if you are pleading guilty there is little benefit anyway.

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Jlc
post Thu, 12 Jul 2018 - 20:06
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QUOTE (Scootaboy @ Thu, 12 Jul 2018 - 20:14) *
Do I send in the NIPS...

Presumably you are the stage they are asking for the driver? You cannot ignore this or risk 6 points each.

However, as noted, returning them together with your best begging letter.

A course will be offered if you qualify - it's the date of the offence that matters...

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RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution
PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information

Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it.
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squaredeal
post Thu, 12 Jul 2018 - 20:07
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QUOTE (notmeatloaf @ Thu, 12 Jul 2018 - 20:47) *
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One of the offences should be eligible for a speed awareness course if you haven't done one within the last three years. If you phone them they can check eligibility through NDORS, the national system...

No they can't. Theoretically possible, but wouldn't be done as access to the database in those circumstances would not be for a legitimate policing purpose.
The eligibility check is an automatic process at the time of entering an admission into the system. So at least 1 response would need to reach them to discover how many points are at stake for the remaining offences.
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Jlc
post Thu, 12 Jul 2018 - 20:08
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QUOTE (Scootaboy @ Thu, 12 Jul 2018 - 20:14) *
I need my car for work (would lose my job if banned).

If you reach 12 points then you'll get the opportunity to submit an exceptional hardship plea. But losing your job, in itself, won't necessarily count. The impact on others will carry more weight.

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RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution
PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information

Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it.
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notmeatloaf
post Thu, 12 Jul 2018 - 20:12
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QUOTE (squaredeal @ Thu, 12 Jul 2018 - 21:07) *
No they can't. Theoretically possible, but wouldn't be done as access to the database in those circumstances would not be for a legitimate policing purpose.
The eligibility check is an automatic process at the time of entering an admission into the system. So at least 1 response would need to reach them to discover how many points are at stake for the remaining offences.

Fair enough, learn something new every day. Cross your fingers time then.
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Scootaboy
post Fri, 13 Jul 2018 - 10:19
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Thanks Everyone. I best get my best letter writing head on ....
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