POPLA assessors are not legally trained, Recorded in Hansard |
POPLA assessors are not legally trained, Recorded in Hansard |
Tue, 12 Feb 2019 - 09:02
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Member Group: Members Posts: 4,126 Joined: 31 Jan 2018 Member No.: 96,238 |
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Member of the House of Lords did not have a good experience IAS isn't well thought of either The No To Mob Retweeted BPA Lord Lucas in the House of Lords. "In my one involvement with Popla, I was astonished by how little the person conducting the appeal understood about the law of the land. I do not think that they had any legal training at all." Source Hansard: https://hansard.parliament.uk/Lords/2019-01...OfPractice)Bill … BPA @BritishParking POPLA (Parking on Private Land Appeals) is available in England and Wales for the majority motorists who receive a ticket on private land by one of our Approved Operators. Please note POPLA is not currently available in Scotland or Ireland #popla #parking http://www.britishparking.co.uk/POPLA Neil O'Doherty @eaglepeaknaod 23 hours ago Replying to @NoToMob I’d be interested to see if anyone did a similar review of the IAS run by the @_theIPC was any better or worse...of course I couldn’t possibly comment... @NoToMob 22 hours ago You might want to check out the Prankster's various blog pages on the subject of Will Hurley, John Davies, Gladstones solicitors and the IAS. Here is your starter for 10 http://parking-prankster.blogspot.com/2018/03/ @NoToMob 22 hours ago More They also get a dishonorable mention in Hansard (Column 9 - Stephen Doughty): https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2018-...l(FirstSitting) … Neil O'Doherty @eaglepeaknaod 21 hours ago I’ve done a lot of digging on them! RealityCheck @Complyorcry 22 hours ago Replying to @NoToMob My experience with POPLA was they were very fair. My experience with the Independent Appeals Service run my the Mickey Mouse IPC was that it isn't independent and deeply flawed decisions and process |
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Tue, 12 Feb 2019 - 09:39
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Member Group: Members Posts: 56,198 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
In other news the sky is blue and the sea is grey........
-------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
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Tue, 12 Feb 2019 - 09:47
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Member Group: Members Posts: 4,126 Joined: 31 Jan 2018 Member No.: 96,238 |
And bears wear funny hats in the woods
This wasn't true of the original service provider that did use legally qualified assessors In fairness, it took a while before we had official confirmation of our suspicions about the new service : Assessors are only interested in whether the parking notices were correctly issued and not whether the payments are legally owed |
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Tue, 12 Feb 2019 - 11:18
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Member Group: Members Posts: 56,198 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
Assessors are only interested in whether the parking notices were correctly issued and not whether the payments are legally owed To be fair that applied at old POPLA as well. POPLA is not equipped to handle complex arguments, that requires something akin to a tribunal hearing or court hearing which is not feasible, thus properly issued (including PoFA compliance) is about as good as it can be, it still results in about 50% of submitted appeals having the notices cancelled by either POPLA or the PPC. I do agree we have seen some poor rulings from new POPLA and lack of legal training was in some cases certainly a factor. The one area I see where I think it could be improved is residential, POPLA should be able to accept that the landholder is and that the PPC doesn't have the required landholder consent to operate. -------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
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Tue, 12 Feb 2019 - 11:53
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Member Group: Members Posts: 41,510 Joined: 25 Aug 2011 From: Planet Earth Member No.: 49,223 |
The one area I see where I think it could be improved is residential, POPLA should be able to accept that the landholder is and that the PPC doesn't have the required landholder consent to operate. Anecdotally at least, the majority of residential cases seem to be IPC where POPLA is not available. Likewise, most residential tickets seem to head to a claim - it seems good business to sue residents parking in the their own car parks (even gated one with fob only access!) This post has been edited by Jlc: Tue, 12 Feb 2019 - 11:54 -------------------- RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information, SAR=Subject Access Request Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it. |
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Tue, 12 Feb 2019 - 13:58
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Member Group: Members Posts: 10,695 Joined: 23 Apr 2004 From: Not in the UK Member No.: 1,131 |
Assessors are only interested in whether the parking notices were correctly issued and not whether the payments are legally owed To be fair that applied at old POPLA as well. POPLA is not equipped to handle complex arguments, that requires something akin to a tribunal hearing or court hearing which is not feasible, thus properly issued (including PoFA compliance) is about as good as it can be, it still results in about 50% of submitted appeals having the notices cancelled by either POPLA or the PPC. I do agree we have seen some poor rulings from new POPLA and lack of legal training was in some cases certainly a factor. The one area I see where I think it could be improved is residential, POPLA should be able to accept that the landholder is and that the PPC doesn't have the required landholder consent to operate. It is the lack of transparency and accountability that annoys me greatly. Fellow assessors replying to complaints and generally covering each others backs. |
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