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Posted by: The Rookie Wed, 13 Jun 2018 - 09:48
Post #1390080

Maybe rather than keep starting posts we can put them into one as a warning to others

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/white-van-man-caught-speed-12687206


And from the archives under the status of legendary
https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/bike-camera-speeding-ticket-465870

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/mar/11/chris-huhne-vicky-pryce

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=120916

Posted by: Jlc Wed, 13 Jun 2018 - 10:20
Post #1390089

And the latest volunteer made a promising start with reasonable queries.

Posted by: southpaw82 Wed, 13 Jun 2018 - 12:24
Post #1390136

I was tempted to use my Bluestone 42 meme but couldn’t be arsed from my phone.

Posted by: 122basy Wed, 13 Jun 2018 - 16:43
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Mr Quas must have been the first member here to tempt the jailer:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/speed-cheat-trapped-by-web-boast-whbcqcwwwb8


Jammer case, jailed

https://northyorkshire.police.uk/news/man-jailed-for-perverting-the-course-of-justice-after-using-speed-detection-jammer/

Another Jammer, gulty

https://northyorkshire.police.uk/news/laser-jammer-driver-found-guilty-perverting-course-justice/

Jammer has a suspended sentnce on this occasion:
https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/crime/sheffield-driver-caught-using-laser-jammer-device-to-dodge-speed-cameras-in-north-yorkshire-1-8836618

Posted by: DancingDad Thu, 14 Jun 2018 - 20:35
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QUOTE (122basy @ Wed, 13 Jun 2018 - 17:43) *
.....Jammer case, jailed...……...


Seems cars were dismantled to find the jammer in all the jammer cases ???

Seems a bit extreme to find a black box mounted on the bumper rolleyes.gif

Posted by: 122basy Thu, 14 Jun 2018 - 21:17
Post #1390633

QUOTE (DancingDad @ Thu, 14 Jun 2018 - 21:35) *
QUOTE (122basy @ Wed, 13 Jun 2018 - 17:43) *
.....Jammer case, jailed...……...


Seems cars were dismantled to find the jammer in all the jammer cases ???

Seems a bit extreme to find a black box mounted on the bumper rolleyes.gif

Not really. The evidence needs to be recovered and the systems have more internal components than external...except for the LT400. Even then the LT400 has wiring, control and display within the vehicle. Unless you get the devices out with some form of magical power the vehicle needs to be dismantled.

Posted by: Tancred Thu, 14 Jun 2018 - 22:06
Post #1390647

This one was a driving instructor who tried to present a modified GPS track to show he wasn't speeding:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-11938711

I think the thread is a good idea as there's clearly been quite a few people on here who don't understand how serious it is and don't understand the extreme reaction they get when they suggest it.

Posted by: 122basy Fri, 15 Jun 2018 - 13:36
Post #1390811

QUOTE (Tancred @ Thu, 14 Jun 2018 - 23:06) *
This one was a driving instructor who tried to present a modified GPS track to show he wasn't speeding:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-11938711

I think the thread is a good idea as there's clearly been quite a few people on here who don't understand how serious it is and don't understand the extreme reaction they get when they suggest it.

Oh forgot about Mr Richards.

http://www.eveshamjournal.co.uk/news/13347862.display/. This report is on the committal hearing but he was eventually convicted of 2 counts of perverting justice at Worcester Crown Court. The papers didn't seem interested in the case after the jury found him guilty. Same trick, fiddled with the GPS data that had been created after the speeding events.

Posted by: notmeatloaf Thu, 5 Jul 2018 - 19:23
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The GPS one always seems a strange one for me.

I know we have posters on here who think the police will accept a thirty second snippet and just say case closed.

My guess is they would ask for the entire journey as a complete piece of evidence. and suddenly you are falsifying a huge amount of data, with a corresponding huge number of ways for it to be proven incorrect.

It seems one of those things that is almost guaranteed not to work and equally guaranteed to be perfect evidence for PCoJ.

Posted by: typefish Thu, 5 Jul 2018 - 20:50
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QUOTE (notmeatloaf @ Thu, 5 Jul 2018 - 20:23) *
My guess is they would ask for the entire journey as a complete piece of evidence. and suddenly you are falsifying a huge amount of data, with a corresponding huge number of ways for it to be proven incorrect literally handing the police every single instance of you speeding


Fixed...?

Posted by: The Rookie Fri, 6 Jul 2018 - 08:12
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https://leamingtonobserver.co.uk/news/speeding-ticket-scammers-sentenced-7322/

Summary, a couple made speeding offences 'go away' by arranging for keepers to name the wrong driver, the couple then replied as that person, innocent people were then convicted, not exactly a complex scam!

I wonder if any action is/was taken on the keepers.

Posted by: cp8759 Sat, 7 Jul 2018 - 16:52
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QUOTE (typefish @ Thu, 5 Jul 2018 - 21:50) *
QUOTE (notmeatloaf @ Thu, 5 Jul 2018 - 20:23) *
My guess is they would ask for the entire journey as a complete piece of evidence. and suddenly you are falsifying a huge amount of data, with a corresponding huge number of ways for it to be proven incorrect literally handing the police every single instance of you speeding


Fixed...?

GPS data would not be admissible as evidence of excess speed.

Posted by: The Rookie Tue, 10 Jul 2018 - 20:46
Post #1397743

https://www.lincolnshirelive.co.uk/news/local-news/manager-caught-speeding-five-times-1769814
The truly bizarre! Fabricated a bizarre scenario including claiming to be blackmailed, seems to have got so caught up in his fabrication he didn’t know when to stop.

Posted by: DancingDad Wed, 11 Jul 2018 - 14:40
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Tue, 10 Jul 2018 - 21:46) *
https://www.lincolnshirelive.co.uk/news/local-news/manager-caught-speeding-five-times-1769814
The truly bizarre! Fabricated a bizarre scenario including claiming to be blackmailed, seems to have got so caught up in his fabrication he didn’t know when to stop.

Weird.
One wonders what would have happened if the guy he put in the frame had not been in India ?

Posted by: The Rookie Mon, 23 Jul 2018 - 19:46
Post #1401661

Happy to stitch up his Landlord who also has dementia, what a lovely guy....
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/speeding-driver-tried-blame-disabled-14930198

Posted by: samthecat Tue, 24 Jul 2018 - 10:19
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Mon, 23 Jul 2018 - 20:46) *
Happy to stitch up his Landlord who also has dementia, what a lovely guy....
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/speeding-driver-tried-blame-disabled-14930198


He is...

Did you not read what his barrister said:

"the dad-of-four is a "productive member of society" and stressed he pleaded guilty at the first opportunity"

I suppose he produced a certain amount of admin for the Courts and Police! As to pleading guilty at the first opportunity wouldn't that have been when he received the 172? tongue.gif

Posted by: The Rookie Tue, 24 Jul 2018 - 11:12
Post #1401831

Indeed, his Barrister seems to have glossed over the "He has a somewhat extensive history of offending." as noted by the prosecutor.

Posted by: DancingDad Tue, 24 Jul 2018 - 13:10
Post #1401859

I like the linked story.
Pretended to be his brother.
Worth 6 months in jail.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/uninsured-driver-caught-police-pretended-14702722

Posted by: ManxRed Tue, 24 Jul 2018 - 13:46
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QUOTE (DancingDad @ Tue, 24 Jul 2018 - 14:10) *
I like the linked story.
Pretended to be his brother.
Worth 6 months in jail.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/uninsured-driver-caught-police-pretended-14702722


It would have been a piece of p*ss to escape though.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/6376929/Prisoner-pretended-to-be-twin-brother-to-escape.html

Posted by: Redivi Tue, 24 Jul 2018 - 15:14
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QUOTE (notmeatloaf @ Thu, 5 Jul 2018 - 20:23) *
My guess is they would ask for the entire journey as a complete piece of evidence. and suddenly you are falsifying a huge amount of data, with a corresponding huge number of ways for it to be proven incorrect.


Dashcams store the most recent 4 to 8 hours and continually overwrite the oldest files unless they've been saved as events

By the time the police ask for the data for an entire journey, it will be long gone

They've asked me to retain a memory card in case it's needed for a prosecution and agreed that they'll disregard any other files

Posted by: peterguk Fri, 3 Aug 2018 - 09:41
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THREE Bradford men, including a cab driver, have avoided immediate jail time, after admitting paying someone else to take care of a speeding fine for them.

The men, Mohammed Yasin, 57, Masawar Ali, 52, and Mohammed Banaras, 36, all passed off their notice of intended prosecution from the police to a third party, who filled out the form on their behalf.

But the police became suspicious when the same name, Sharjeel Jelani, cropped up on a number of forms, with different addresses – using similar handwriting. The real Mr Jelani faced magistrates’ court in two of the incidents, and received a county count judgment against his name for unpaid fines.


Yasin of Hastings Place, Ali, of Ambleside Avenue, and Banaras, of Westfield Road, all pleaded guilty to one count each of conspiracy to pervert the course of justice, and were sentenced to five months in prison, suspended for two years. They must also complete the maximum 300 hours of unpaid work in the next 12 months.

Prosecutor Jeremy Barton told Bradford Crown Court that the men, who did not know one another, had tried to “avoid prosecution” through the scheme, which had ended up affecting victim Mr Jelani’s finances and ability to insure a vehicle.

The men had been travelling between 30 and 40mph in 30 zones when they were caught by speed cameras.

Judge Colin Burn said it was a “blatant attempt to defraud road traffic enforcement and therefore the justice system”.

Nadim Bashir for Yasin, who was caught speeding on December 12, 2014, on the A6177, said he faced losing the car he used as a private hire driver if he got points on his licence, panicked and paid someone £150. Shufqat Khan for Ali, who was caught speeding on the A647, on April 21, 2015, said he had been concerned about the impact on his job at a tyre garage and paid someone £80 out of “sheer stupidity”. David Bradshaw for Banaras, who was caught speeding on Thornton Road on August 3, 2015, said it had been a “foolish act”.

http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/16395073.mohammed-yasin-masawar-ali-and-mohammed-banaras-sentenced-over-paying-someone-to-take-care-of-speeding-fine/?ref=mr&lp=3


Posted by: southpaw82 Fri, 3 Aug 2018 - 10:31
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QUOTE (peterguk @ Fri, 3 Aug 2018 - 10:41) *
and received a county count judgment against his name for unpaid fines.

rolleyes.gif

Posted by: The Rookie Tue, 14 Aug 2018 - 14:17
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Ok a bit more than speeding, and going to jail anyway, but lets throw petrol on the fire anyway!

Quote of the day goes to

QUOTE
Patrick Mason, prosecuting, said that during the pursuit on May 15, "if there was a traffic regulation, he broke it".


http://www.yeovilexpress.co.uk/news/16411824.eliot-kelly-of-taunton-avoids-jail-for-driving-offences-and-perverting-the-course-of-justice/

Posted by: peterguk Tue, 11 Sep 2018 - 11:24
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Business director, 58, tried to dodge a speeding fine by giving police a photo of an innocent man in CANADA who looked like her husband - but avoids jail so she can look after her family.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6140001/Business-director-58-tried-dodge-speeding-fine-giving-police-photo-innocent-man.html

Posted by: Ocelot Tue, 11 Sep 2018 - 18:55
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QUOTE (peterguk @ Tue, 11 Sep 2018 - 12:24) *
Business director, 58, tried to dodge a speeding fine by giving police a photo of an innocent man in CANADA who looked like her husband - but avoids jail so she can look after her family.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6140001/Business-director-58-tried-dodge-speeding-fine-giving-police-photo-innocent-man.html


Another example of a woman not going to jail when a man would.

Posted by: Jlc Tue, 9 Oct 2018 - 18:22
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A new entry - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-45802293

QUOTE
A driver who tried to dodge a speeding fine by pretending to be his dead brother has been jailed.
Silburn Campbell, who has never passed his driving test, was clocked driving his mother's Mercedes at 37mph in a 30mph zone in 2014, Essex Police said.
Police received correspondence stating Kenneth Campbell was behind the wheel at the time of the offence, which was captured by a camera in Epping.
He "pleaded guilty" but it was later found he had died in 2001.
Essex Police wrote to the vehicle's registered keeper asking for the identity of the driver, and received responses stating it was Kenneth Campbell. Later, a guilty plea was entered by post.
The matter was heard in court in Kenneth Campbell's absence in March 2015, and he was given three penalty points and fined £150.
Several weeks later, police said Silburn Campbell posed as his dead brother and called the court asking for extra time to pay the fine.
But he gave his late brother's National Insurance number which confirmed he had died in February 2001.
Campbell, 54, of Elmer Road, Catford, in south-east London, denied completing the forms using his brother's details when he was interviewed by Essex Police.
But he did admit having a provisional driving licence and never passing his driving test.
He was charged with perverting the course of justice and pleaded guilty at Chelmsford Crown Court on 4 July.
Campbell was sentenced on 25 September at Basildon Crown Court to three months in prison.

Posted by: 666 Tue, 9 Oct 2018 - 18:45
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QUOTE (Jlc @ Tue, 9 Oct 2018 - 19:22) *
A new entry - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-45802293

QUOTE
A driver who tried to dodge a speeding fine by pretending to be his dead brother has been jailed.
Silburn Campbell, who has never passed his driving test, was clocked driving his mother's Mercedes at 37mph in a 30mph zone in 2014, Essex Police said.
Police received correspondence stating Kenneth Campbell was behind the wheel at the time of the offence, which was captured by a camera in Epping.
He "pleaded guilty" but it was later found he had died in 2001.
Essex Police wrote to the vehicle's registered keeper asking for the identity of the driver, and received responses stating it was Kenneth Campbell. Later, a guilty plea was entered by post.
The matter was heard in court in Kenneth Campbell's absence in March 2015, and he was given three penalty points and fined £150.
Several weeks later, police said Silburn Campbell posed as his dead brother and called the court asking for extra time to pay the fine.
But he gave his late brother's National Insurance number which confirmed he had died in February 2001.
Campbell, 54, of Elmer Road, Catford, in south-east London, denied completing the forms using his brother's details when he was interviewed by Essex Police.
But he did admit having a provisional driving licence and never passing his driving test.
He was charged with perverting the course of justice and pleaded guilty at Chelmsford Crown Court on 4 July.
Campbell was sentenced on 25 September at Basildon Crown Court to three months in prison.


So he’d got clean away, until he asked for time to pay. Genius!

Posted by: jdh Wed, 10 Oct 2018 - 08:51
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QUOTE (666 @ Tue, 9 Oct 2018 - 19:45) *
QUOTE (Jlc @ Tue, 9 Oct 2018 - 19:22) *
A new entry - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-45802293

QUOTE
A driver who tried to dodge a speeding fine by pretending to be his dead brother has been jailed.
Silburn Campbell, who has never passed his driving test, was clocked driving his mother's Mercedes at 37mph in a 30mph zone in 2014, Essex Police said.
Police received correspondence stating Kenneth Campbell was behind the wheel at the time of the offence, which was captured by a camera in Epping.
He "pleaded guilty" but it was later found he had died in 2001.
Essex Police wrote to the vehicle's registered keeper asking for the identity of the driver, and received responses stating it was Kenneth Campbell. Later, a guilty plea was entered by post.
The matter was heard in court in Kenneth Campbell's absence in March 2015, and he was given three penalty points and fined £150.
Several weeks later, police said Silburn Campbell posed as his dead brother and called the court asking for extra time to pay the fine.
But he gave his late brother's National Insurance number which confirmed he had died in February 2001.
Campbell, 54, of Elmer Road, Catford, in south-east London, denied completing the forms using his brother's details when he was interviewed by Essex Police.
But he did admit having a provisional driving licence and never passing his driving test.
He was charged with perverting the course of justice and pleaded guilty at Chelmsford Crown Court on 4 July.
Campbell was sentenced on 25 September at Basildon Crown Court to three months in prison.


So he’d got clean away, until he asked for time to pay. Genius!
Which makes the "they're only in it for the money" argument appear stronger.

Posted by: The Rookie Wed, 10 Oct 2018 - 09:40
Post #1423746

Not really, it's just that when asked to submit relevant information to that request he gave the game away.

Posted by: The Rookie Tue, 6 Nov 2018 - 12:44
Post #1431586

A quite laughable attempt this one!
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/man-awaits-sentencing-for-comical-bid-to-lie-way-out-of-speeding-charges-37494726.html

3 NIP's managed to commit PCOJ a total of 7 times for them, he's even worse at lying than driving it seems.

Posted by: The Rookie Thu, 8 Nov 2018 - 14:07
Post #1432264

And another, the old 'it was a foreign driver' routine..... multiple times.

https://www.inyourarea.co.uk/news/liar-sentenced-after-trying-to-avoid-speeding-fines/

2 years in this case.

Posted by: The Rookie Fri, 30 Nov 2018 - 11:38
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Gave a false name for 5 offences and then defended it in court, I think on that basis he got off lightly with an 8 months sentence.

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/tech-auto/automotive/company-director-jailed-after-caught-speeding-in-customised-white-range-rover-five-times-in-month/30/11/

Posted by: southpaw82 Fri, 30 Nov 2018 - 12:01
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QUOTE
PC Michael Martin from the City of London Police said: “This case shows how seriously we take traffic offences and that nobody is above the law.

“Serial offenders will be brought before the courts to face the consequences of their actions which can’t just be swept under the carpet.

“Speeding can endanger not just the driver’s life but also other law-abiding road users and will not be tolerated.

“Today’s sentencing illustrates just how severe your punishment can be, not only if you continuously break the speed limit, but also if you waste police time by providing false information and not owning up to your actions.

“Failure to comply with a request to identify the driver of a vehicle at the time of an offence, or giving false information, is viewed by the courts as an attempt to undermine the fundamental process of law, the repercussions of which Mr Khan is now realising.”


The usual holier than thou claptrap from the police I see.

1. He was not tried or sentenced for a traffic offence, so I don’t see the relevance of the seriousness or otherwise with which the COLP takes traffic offences.

2. Speeding may not be tolerated but again, he was not on trial for speeding.

3. He was not sentenced for speeding or wasting police time.

4. Failure to name the driver is not, so far as I know, viewed by the courts as an attempt to undermine the process of the law, neither was he sentenced for such.

Posted by: The Rookie Fri, 30 Nov 2018 - 12:20
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I agree (I'd read those and groaned), and of course all the robo 'copy and paste' reports are spewing the same. But then how often do you tell posters not to go to a Police officer for advice on the law!

Posted by: southpaw82 Fri, 30 Nov 2018 - 12:25
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Fri, 30 Nov 2018 - 12:20) *
I agree (I'd read those and groaned), and of course all the robo 'copy and paste' reports are spewing the same. But then how often do you tell posters not to go to a Police officer for advice on the law!

About as often as I tell clients!

Posted by: The Rookie Wed, 5 Dec 2018 - 08:27
Post #1439702

Rather than slowing down to avoid known cameras he chose to deface his front number plate to look like another....4 months suspended, rather over dramatised reporting though.

https://www.harrogateadvertiser.co.uk/news/crime/boroughbridge-man-changed-number-plate-to-dodge-speeding-fines-and-left-innocent-driver-to-take-blame-1-9476059


Posted by: cp8759 Wed, 5 Dec 2018 - 19:46
Post #1439911

£500 for getting a couple of incorrect NIPs? The chap in Plymouth must be laughing all the way to the bank!

Posted by: Redivi Wed, 5 Dec 2018 - 21:33
Post #1439942

£500 is a bit high but £200 would have been reasonable
After receiving two NIPs he would have been put to some inconvenience proving his car wasn't there and reporting the clone

Can that figure be used as a benchmark for data protection claims arising from PPC misreads and double-dips ?

Posted by: Richy320 Tue, 11 Dec 2018 - 13:02
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But judge Paul Worsley QC ................ slammed the businessman for the “inconvenience” he had caused to a “wholly-innocent man who must have got the shock of his life” when he received the two speeding tickets.

So does this mean every time a motorist gets an erroneous speeding ticket from a "safety camera" they'll get a cheque for £500?

Thought not.

Posted by: The Rookie Tue, 11 Dec 2018 - 13:04
Post #1441384

No, because there is no criminality as a cause. (plus it works out at £250/ticket anyway).

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