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Posted by: The Rookie Wed, 13 Jun 2018 - 09:48
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Maybe rather than keep starting posts we can put them into one as a warning to others

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/white-van-man-caught-speed-12687206


And from the archives under the status of legendary
https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/bike-camera-speeding-ticket-465870

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/mar/11/chris-huhne-vicky-pryce

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=120916

Posted by: Jlc Wed, 13 Jun 2018 - 10:20
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And the latest volunteer made a promising start with reasonable queries.

Posted by: southpaw82 Wed, 13 Jun 2018 - 12:24
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I was tempted to use my Bluestone 42 meme but couldn’t be arsed from my phone.

Posted by: 122basy Wed, 13 Jun 2018 - 16:43
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Mr Quas must have been the first member here to tempt the jailer:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/speed-cheat-trapped-by-web-boast-whbcqcwwwb8


Jammer case, jailed

https://northyorkshire.police.uk/news/man-jailed-for-perverting-the-course-of-justice-after-using-speed-detection-jammer/

Another Jammer, gulty

https://northyorkshire.police.uk/news/laser-jammer-driver-found-guilty-perverting-course-justice/

Jammer has a suspended sentnce on this occasion:
https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/crime/sheffield-driver-caught-using-laser-jammer-device-to-dodge-speed-cameras-in-north-yorkshire-1-8836618

Posted by: DancingDad Thu, 14 Jun 2018 - 20:35
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QUOTE (122basy @ Wed, 13 Jun 2018 - 17:43) *
.....Jammer case, jailed...……...


Seems cars were dismantled to find the jammer in all the jammer cases ???

Seems a bit extreme to find a black box mounted on the bumper rolleyes.gif

Posted by: 122basy Thu, 14 Jun 2018 - 21:17
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QUOTE (DancingDad @ Thu, 14 Jun 2018 - 21:35) *
QUOTE (122basy @ Wed, 13 Jun 2018 - 17:43) *
.....Jammer case, jailed...……...


Seems cars were dismantled to find the jammer in all the jammer cases ???

Seems a bit extreme to find a black box mounted on the bumper rolleyes.gif

Not really. The evidence needs to be recovered and the systems have more internal components than external...except for the LT400. Even then the LT400 has wiring, control and display within the vehicle. Unless you get the devices out with some form of magical power the vehicle needs to be dismantled.

Posted by: Tancred Thu, 14 Jun 2018 - 22:06
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This one was a driving instructor who tried to present a modified GPS track to show he wasn't speeding:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-11938711

I think the thread is a good idea as there's clearly been quite a few people on here who don't understand how serious it is and don't understand the extreme reaction they get when they suggest it.

Posted by: 122basy Fri, 15 Jun 2018 - 13:36
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QUOTE (Tancred @ Thu, 14 Jun 2018 - 23:06) *
This one was a driving instructor who tried to present a modified GPS track to show he wasn't speeding:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-11938711

I think the thread is a good idea as there's clearly been quite a few people on here who don't understand how serious it is and don't understand the extreme reaction they get when they suggest it.

Oh forgot about Mr Richards.

http://www.eveshamjournal.co.uk/news/13347862.display/. This report is on the committal hearing but he was eventually convicted of 2 counts of perverting justice at Worcester Crown Court. The papers didn't seem interested in the case after the jury found him guilty. Same trick, fiddled with the GPS data that had been created after the speeding events.

Posted by: notmeatloaf Thu, 5 Jul 2018 - 19:23
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The GPS one always seems a strange one for me.

I know we have posters on here who think the police will accept a thirty second snippet and just say case closed.

My guess is they would ask for the entire journey as a complete piece of evidence. and suddenly you are falsifying a huge amount of data, with a corresponding huge number of ways for it to be proven incorrect.

It seems one of those things that is almost guaranteed not to work and equally guaranteed to be perfect evidence for PCoJ.

Posted by: typefish Thu, 5 Jul 2018 - 20:50
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QUOTE (notmeatloaf @ Thu, 5 Jul 2018 - 20:23) *
My guess is they would ask for the entire journey as a complete piece of evidence. and suddenly you are falsifying a huge amount of data, with a corresponding huge number of ways for it to be proven incorrect literally handing the police every single instance of you speeding


Fixed...?

Posted by: The Rookie Fri, 6 Jul 2018 - 08:12
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https://leamingtonobserver.co.uk/news/speeding-ticket-scammers-sentenced-7322/

Summary, a couple made speeding offences 'go away' by arranging for keepers to name the wrong driver, the couple then replied as that person, innocent people were then convicted, not exactly a complex scam!

I wonder if any action is/was taken on the keepers.

Posted by: cp8759 Sat, 7 Jul 2018 - 16:52
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QUOTE (typefish @ Thu, 5 Jul 2018 - 21:50) *
QUOTE (notmeatloaf @ Thu, 5 Jul 2018 - 20:23) *
My guess is they would ask for the entire journey as a complete piece of evidence. and suddenly you are falsifying a huge amount of data, with a corresponding huge number of ways for it to be proven incorrect literally handing the police every single instance of you speeding


Fixed...?

GPS data would not be admissible as evidence of excess speed.

Posted by: The Rookie Tue, 10 Jul 2018 - 20:46
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https://www.lincolnshirelive.co.uk/news/local-news/manager-caught-speeding-five-times-1769814
The truly bizarre! Fabricated a bizarre scenario including claiming to be blackmailed, seems to have got so caught up in his fabrication he didn’t know when to stop.

Posted by: DancingDad Wed, 11 Jul 2018 - 14:40
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Tue, 10 Jul 2018 - 21:46) *
https://www.lincolnshirelive.co.uk/news/local-news/manager-caught-speeding-five-times-1769814
The truly bizarre! Fabricated a bizarre scenario including claiming to be blackmailed, seems to have got so caught up in his fabrication he didn’t know when to stop.

Weird.
One wonders what would have happened if the guy he put in the frame had not been in India ?

Posted by: The Rookie Mon, 23 Jul 2018 - 19:46
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Happy to stitch up his Landlord who also has dementia, what a lovely guy....
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/speeding-driver-tried-blame-disabled-14930198

Posted by: samthecat Tue, 24 Jul 2018 - 10:19
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Mon, 23 Jul 2018 - 20:46) *
Happy to stitch up his Landlord who also has dementia, what a lovely guy....
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/speeding-driver-tried-blame-disabled-14930198


He is...

Did you not read what his barrister said:

"the dad-of-four is a "productive member of society" and stressed he pleaded guilty at the first opportunity"

I suppose he produced a certain amount of admin for the Courts and Police! As to pleading guilty at the first opportunity wouldn't that have been when he received the 172? tongue.gif

Posted by: The Rookie Tue, 24 Jul 2018 - 11:12
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Indeed, his Barrister seems to have glossed over the "He has a somewhat extensive history of offending." as noted by the prosecutor.

Posted by: DancingDad Tue, 24 Jul 2018 - 13:10
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I like the linked story.
Pretended to be his brother.
Worth 6 months in jail.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/uninsured-driver-caught-police-pretended-14702722

Posted by: ManxRed Tue, 24 Jul 2018 - 13:46
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QUOTE (DancingDad @ Tue, 24 Jul 2018 - 14:10) *
I like the linked story.
Pretended to be his brother.
Worth 6 months in jail.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/uninsured-driver-caught-police-pretended-14702722


It would have been a piece of p*ss to escape though.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/6376929/Prisoner-pretended-to-be-twin-brother-to-escape.html

Posted by: Redivi Tue, 24 Jul 2018 - 15:14
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QUOTE (notmeatloaf @ Thu, 5 Jul 2018 - 20:23) *
My guess is they would ask for the entire journey as a complete piece of evidence. and suddenly you are falsifying a huge amount of data, with a corresponding huge number of ways for it to be proven incorrect.


Dashcams store the most recent 4 to 8 hours and continually overwrite the oldest files unless they've been saved as events

By the time the police ask for the data for an entire journey, it will be long gone

They've asked me to retain a memory card in case it's needed for a prosecution and agreed that they'll disregard any other files

Posted by: peterguk Fri, 3 Aug 2018 - 09:41
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THREE Bradford men, including a cab driver, have avoided immediate jail time, after admitting paying someone else to take care of a speeding fine for them.

The men, Mohammed Yasin, 57, Masawar Ali, 52, and Mohammed Banaras, 36, all passed off their notice of intended prosecution from the police to a third party, who filled out the form on their behalf.

But the police became suspicious when the same name, Sharjeel Jelani, cropped up on a number of forms, with different addresses – using similar handwriting. The real Mr Jelani faced magistrates’ court in two of the incidents, and received a county count judgment against his name for unpaid fines.


Yasin of Hastings Place, Ali, of Ambleside Avenue, and Banaras, of Westfield Road, all pleaded guilty to one count each of conspiracy to pervert the course of justice, and were sentenced to five months in prison, suspended for two years. They must also complete the maximum 300 hours of unpaid work in the next 12 months.

Prosecutor Jeremy Barton told Bradford Crown Court that the men, who did not know one another, had tried to “avoid prosecution” through the scheme, which had ended up affecting victim Mr Jelani’s finances and ability to insure a vehicle.

The men had been travelling between 30 and 40mph in 30 zones when they were caught by speed cameras.

Judge Colin Burn said it was a “blatant attempt to defraud road traffic enforcement and therefore the justice system”.

Nadim Bashir for Yasin, who was caught speeding on December 12, 2014, on the A6177, said he faced losing the car he used as a private hire driver if he got points on his licence, panicked and paid someone £150. Shufqat Khan for Ali, who was caught speeding on the A647, on April 21, 2015, said he had been concerned about the impact on his job at a tyre garage and paid someone £80 out of “sheer stupidity”. David Bradshaw for Banaras, who was caught speeding on Thornton Road on August 3, 2015, said it had been a “foolish act”.

http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/16395073.mohammed-yasin-masawar-ali-and-mohammed-banaras-sentenced-over-paying-someone-to-take-care-of-speeding-fine/?ref=mr&lp=3


Posted by: southpaw82 Fri, 3 Aug 2018 - 10:31
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QUOTE (peterguk @ Fri, 3 Aug 2018 - 10:41) *
and received a county count judgment against his name for unpaid fines.

rolleyes.gif

Posted by: The Rookie Tue, 14 Aug 2018 - 14:17
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Ok a bit more than speeding, and going to jail anyway, but lets throw petrol on the fire anyway!

Quote of the day goes to

QUOTE
Patrick Mason, prosecuting, said that during the pursuit on May 15, "if there was a traffic regulation, he broke it".


http://www.yeovilexpress.co.uk/news/16411824.eliot-kelly-of-taunton-avoids-jail-for-driving-offences-and-perverting-the-course-of-justice/

Posted by: peterguk Tue, 11 Sep 2018 - 11:24
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Business director, 58, tried to dodge a speeding fine by giving police a photo of an innocent man in CANADA who looked like her husband - but avoids jail so she can look after her family.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6140001/Business-director-58-tried-dodge-speeding-fine-giving-police-photo-innocent-man.html

Posted by: Ocelot Tue, 11 Sep 2018 - 18:55
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QUOTE (peterguk @ Tue, 11 Sep 2018 - 12:24) *
Business director, 58, tried to dodge a speeding fine by giving police a photo of an innocent man in CANADA who looked like her husband - but avoids jail so she can look after her family.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6140001/Business-director-58-tried-dodge-speeding-fine-giving-police-photo-innocent-man.html


Another example of a woman not going to jail when a man would.

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