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post Tue, 6 Mar 2018 - 16:52
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NIP Details and Circumstances
What is the name of the Constabulary? -
Date of the offence: - March 2018
Date of the NIP: - 3 days after the offence
Date you received the NIP: - 4 days after the offence
Location of offence (exact location as it appears on the NIP: important): - A610 Eastwood By-Pass, Kimberly, Nottingham
Was the NIP addressed to you? - Yes
Was the NIP sent by first class post, second class or recorded delivery? - First
If your are not the Registered Keeper, what is your relationship to the vehicle? -
How many current points do you have? - 0
Provide a description of events (if you know what happened) telling us as much about the incident as possible - some things that may seem trivial to you may be important, so don't leave anything out. Please do not post personal details for obvious reasons - Didn't see any manned camera, cannot remember exceeding limit but it is quite likely I did, as everyone does on this but of road

NIP Wizard Responses
These were the responses used by the Wizard to arrive at its recommendation:
Have you received a NIP? - Yes
Are you the Registered Keeper of the vehicle concerned (is your name and address on the V5/V5C)? - Yes
Did the first NIP arrive within 14 days? - Yes
Although you are the Registered Keeper, were you also the keeper of the vehicle concerned (the person normally responsible for it) at the time of the alleged offence? - Yes
Were you driving? - Yes
Which country did the alleged offence take place in? - England

NIP Wizard Recommendation
Based on these responses the Wizard suggested that this course of action should be considered:
  • The law requires you to provide the information requested in the Section 172 notice within the 28 day period, naming yourself as the driver. If you are considering obtaining formal legal advice, do so before returning the notice.

    You should note that there is nothing to be gained by responding any earlier than you have to at any stage of the process. You are likely to receive a Conditional Offer of a Fixed Penalty (COFP) and further reminder(s). If you want to continue the fight, you should ignore all correspondence from the police until you receive a summons. You need to understand from the outset that while you will receive much help and support from members on the forums, you will need to put time and effort into fighting your case and ultimately be prepared to stand up in court to defend yourself.

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post Tue, 6 Mar 2018 - 16:59
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Do you have any questions? This will go to court where the likely sentence is a period of disqualification, or 6 points if you are lucky. Fine of 150% of net weekly income reduced by 33% for a guilty plea.


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post Tue, 6 Mar 2018 - 17:33
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No questions as I can't remember that day, was rushing to get to an appointment. Just wanting opinions as to what the likely outcome is likely to be.
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post Tue, 6 Mar 2018 - 17:54
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The likely outcome is covered above but that excess can only be dealt with at court and you may well need to attend should they want to consider a ban.


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RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution
PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information

Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it.
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post Tue, 6 Mar 2018 - 18:14
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I agree there is a lot of speeding on that road, but not 86!


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post Tue, 6 Mar 2018 - 19:14
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Well 86 isn't that bad considering that a few years back that stretch of dual carriageway (which they usually use cameras on) used to be a national speed limit road and is fairly straight at that point. Doing 50 feels incredibly slow when your rushing for an appointment. I'm not denying or making excuses that I wasn't speeding, clearly I was, i was just asking for likely outcomes. Is it definitely a court appearance?
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post Tue, 6 Mar 2018 - 19:35
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QUOTE (PhilMcRevis201838 @ Tue, 6 Mar 2018 - 19:14) *
Is it definitely a court appearance?

As has been stated twice before, absolutely.
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post Tue, 6 Mar 2018 - 19:45
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QUOTE (PhilMcRevis201838 @ Tue, 6 Mar 2018 - 19:14) *
Is it definitely a court appearance?

Yes, and any ban (which is odds on) is immediate so don't expect to drive home.

QUOTE (PhilMcRevis201838 @ Tue, 6 Mar 2018 - 19:14) *
Well 86 isn't that bad...

I wouldn't suggest saying that to the bench. It's 72% over the limit.

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RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution
PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information

Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it.
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post Tue, 6 Mar 2018 - 21:30
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The bit the bench will always have in their mind is not that the speed is safe in itself, but that you have a huge speed differential with anyone actually doing the speed limit with predictable consequences if there is a collision.

It's why, aside from exceptional circumstances (NOT running late for an appointment), it's normally best to fall on your sword and be apologetic if you are pleading guilty in person or in writing. Although magistrates tend to stick fairly closely to the sentencing guidelines you need them on your side if you are hoping for six points, or hoping for a ban. You can try and lead them towards what you want, e.g. "I appreciate at this speed there will be a number of points on my licence and they will serve as a constant reminder to obey speed limits over the coming years", or similar.

That's not to say I'm not sympathetic, we've all been there rushing with a heavy right foot but the time for licking your wounds isn't in court.



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post Tue, 6 Mar 2018 - 23:53
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The law requires you to name the driver. Failure to do so would be a separate offence, which carries 6 points (endorsement code MS90 - which might be costly when you renew your insurance). However, if you do not name the driver, it would be all but impossible to convict you of the substantive speeding offence.

We cannot advise you to commit a criminal offence, but we can tell you what the likely outcome of doing so would be.


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