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morph_x3me
post Thu, 1 Mar 2018 - 20:49
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Got a nip on b579 luton road south of junction with water end lane. There was a truvelo camera going in the opposite direction which has road markings.

I remember coming back and it was downhill with no road marking and i saw two flashes from behind.

37 in 30. Is there anything that can be done or shall i just send off and accept (hopefully) a SAC.

Looking on this site it says there is a truvelo d camera however it was definitely a normal truvelo that gets you from the front usually
https://www.speedcamerasuk.com/database/EEB/eeb070.htm

This is the location: I was travelling away from the camera. Although streetview shows markings in the opposite direction, there weren't any when i was flashed a week ago (not that would make much difference i guess)

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.9272331,-...3312!8i6656

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post Thu, 1 Mar 2018 - 21:04
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Assuming the NIP was delivered within the necessary timescales, the signage (and/or any relevant order) was correct and you were speeding then it is unlikely you have a defence.

The course is probably the best outcome.


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post Thu, 1 Mar 2018 - 21:36
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For 37 in a 30 you should get the offer of a course, orvided you have not done one for an offence within the last three years.


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post Thu, 1 Mar 2018 - 21:38
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Thanks for the response.

Offence was only a week ago so within timescales and no course done previously.

Just for my reference, im guessing there don't need to be any road markings to have a valid offence?

Shall I return via recorded delivery as i like to have a piece of mind
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post Thu, 1 Mar 2018 - 21:45
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QUOTE (morph_x3me @ Thu, 1 Mar 2018 - 21:38) *
Just for my reference, im guessing there don't need to be any road markings to have a valid offence?

What sort of road markings? I can see the corroboration marks on the road.

I would note it's not a restricted road - but there is a repeater just before the camera after passing the terminal signs.

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Shall I return via recorded delivery as i like to have a piece of mind

Standard 1st with proof of posting is sufficient. (Take a copy of your response too)

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QUOTE (morph_x3me @ Thu, 1 Mar 2018 - 21:38) *
Thanks for the response. Offence was only a week ago so within timescales and no course done previously. Just for my reference, im guessing there don't need to be any road markings to have a valid offence? Shall I return via recorded delivery as i like to have a piece of mind


There need be no road markings and no camera warning signs, there needs to be a system of streetlighting with lights at less than 200 yard intervals which creates a restricted road with a 30mph limit, or a Traffic Regulation Order setting a 30mph limit and terminal signs indicating the start of the limit.



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post Thu, 1 Mar 2018 - 22:19
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I meant markings on the road for the camera. As you menetioned there doesnt need ti be any. You can see them in the street view however this is a couple years old and now they were not visible at all. One of the reasons why i got flashed as yoy cannot see the camera on the other side of the road either especially in at night time with no lighting

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post Thu, 1 Mar 2018 - 22:23
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QUOTE (morph_x3me @ Thu, 1 Mar 2018 - 22:19) *
One of the reasons why i got flashed


The only reason you were flashed is because you triggered it due to your excessive speed.


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post Thu, 1 Mar 2018 - 22:44
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QUOTE (peterguk @ Thu, 1 Mar 2018 - 22:23) *
QUOTE (morph_x3me @ Thu, 1 Mar 2018 - 22:19) *
One of the reasons why i got flashed


The only reason you were flashed is because you triggered it due to your excessive speed.

Agreed..i was merely stating why it wasnt avoided..
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QUOTE (morph_x3me @ Thu, 1 Mar 2018 - 20:49) *
Got a nip on b579 luton road south of junction with water end lane. There was a truvelo camera going in the opposite direction which has road markings.

I remember coming back and it was downhill with no road marking and i saw two flashes from behind.

37 in 30. Is there anything that can be done or shall i just send off and accept (hopefully) a SAC.

Looking on this site it says there is a truvelo d camera however it was definitely a normal truvelo that gets you from the front usually
https://www.speedcamerasuk.com/database/EEB/eeb070.htm

This is the location: I was travelling away from the camera. Although streetview shows markings in the opposite direction, there weren't any when i was flashed a week ago (not that would make much difference i guess)

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.9272331,-...3312!8i6656


If you were travelling southbound towards Luton when you were flashed the road was flat and level. It's only downhill coming from Luton and flattens out well before the camera.

That camera was changed fairly recently is Truvelo D and uses infra red flash which cannot be seen.


QUOTE (Jlc @ Thu, 1 Mar 2018 - 21:45) *
What sort of road markings? I can see the corroboration marks on the road.

I would note it's not a restricted road - but there is a repeater just before the camera after passing the terminal signs.


The village has terminal 30 signs at each end and repeaters with camera warning icons.
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QUOTE (baroudeur @ Fri, 2 Mar 2018 - 12:40) *
That camera was changed fairly recently is Truvelo D and uses infra red flash which cannot be seen.

Are you sure, I understood all UK Truvelo had stayed with visible spectrum and a magenta 'anti-dazzle' (for what its worth) filter.


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post Sat, 3 Mar 2018 - 08:44
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The camera definitely flashed only way i realised there was one there. It was dark and first time there so i didnt actually see the camera.
I turned around to find the camera abd it was definitely the one that has a roubd eye on it and usually get you from the front. Not the modern truvelo d types
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post Sat, 3 Mar 2018 - 09:33
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I thought it was the Gatsos that flashed twice to measure how the the car had travelled and the Truvellos only flashed once to see if the car was on the three white lines
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post Sat, 3 Mar 2018 - 09:42
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Truvelo's use buried sensors to measure the speed (twice). A delay is then calculated to reach the corroboration marks - a snap is taken and if the front wheels are within the marks then it confirms the speed.

They can be configured in both approaching and receding modes, the former being more common. This one is configured as bi-directional and has an auxiliary flash. AFAIK all UK units use visible spectrum, usually with a magenta filter.


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post Sat, 3 Mar 2018 - 12:59
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QUOTE (Jlc @ Sat, 3 Mar 2018 - 09:42) *
Truvelo's use buried sensors to measure the speed (twice). A delay is then calculated to reach the corroboration marks - a snap is taken and if the front wheels are within the marks then it confirms the speed.

They can be configured in both approaching and receding modes, the former being more common. This one is configured as bi-directional and has an auxiliary flash. AFAIK all UK units use visible spectrum, usually with a magenta filter.



A set of three buried piezo sensors in each lane at the same location can be seen on GSV which may indicate bi-direction operation. Can you confirm this is working in both directions?

It appears that this camera is being listed incorrectly by some websites as a Truvelo D when it's not. However, the new style separate flash unit seems to indicate it is a digital unit and probably infra red.

Edit: It appears that the camera at this location is a Truvelo D digital infra red camera from this link. A cheaper replacement unit rather than the top-of-the-range version?

Truvelo D cameras

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morph_x3me
post Tue, 13 Mar 2018 - 19:18
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So i received a SAC offer however when i go online and try ny license number it says not recognised and to contact the police force with the details on the offer letter
There are no contact details for that police force nor can i get a contact number for thwm online. Does it take a few days for the system to update? As the letter was only sent to me a day or so ago


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Just tried it again a few times and its started working oddly enough

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