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MHU
post Tue, 5 Dec 2017 - 13:10
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Hi

I want to know what my next steps on this are

I go to the Blackburn with Dawen Council Gym everyday, but the parking is shared with the college and can only be used after 4.30PM by Gym Members.

I parked my vehicle on a tarmacked area which had no bays, or road markings or sign posts near that area that says you cannot park here and that you must be parked in a bay. I was given a Parking Charge Notice for this and i could pay the £60 (£100 after 14days) via www.paymypcn.net

I appealed on the grounds that i parked after 4.30pm, there are no road markings (red or yellow lines or hatched areas) and there is no sign there either.

The Appeal was rejected but does not say why. If i login to paymypcn it just says Appeal Rejected - Pending, and i have had no further contact.

Do i just ignore now? Or go to the IAS as that is the next steps on the parking charge notice if i disagree with the outcome?

secondly .. just yesterday, i was parked in a bay, shortly after 4.30pm, and i have been given another ticket at 4.56pm saying no valid permit displayed ... Funnily enough though the ticket is printed at 4.56 but the paper sheet the ticket has been put in says 4.20pm!

What would you suggest on that one?

Thanks
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post Tue, 5 Dec 2017 - 13:14
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This is a private parking PCN - have asked to be moved to private forum.
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post Tue, 5 Dec 2017 - 14:01
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Its VCS / Excel essentially, so once you appeal, you ignore (dont throw away, ignore) anything bar a letter before claim or claim form

Try asking the gym to cancel. Especially the one time at 450....
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post Tue, 5 Dec 2017 - 14:35
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QUOTE (nosferatu1001 @ Tue, 5 Dec 2017 - 14:01) *
Its VCS / Excel essentially, so once you appeal, you ignore (dont throw away, ignore) anything bar a letter before claim or claim form

Try asking the gym to cancel. Especially the one time at 450....



what do you mean VCS/Excel?

So as i have not had an email saying why it got rejected, i just ignore it? When i get a letter saying pay up i can just ignore it?
Do i not need to go to the IAS?

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post Tue, 5 Dec 2017 - 14:38
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The company behind paymypcn or whoever, unless Im getting them mixe up

No, you do not appeal to the IAS. FIVE MINUTES of really obvious searching would have shown you they are a bunch of [edited]. Over 83% of appeals are turned down.

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post Tue, 5 Dec 2017 - 14:47
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QUOTE (nosferatu1001 @ Tue, 5 Dec 2017 - 14:38) *
The company behind paymypcn or whoever, unless Im getting them mixe up

No, you do not appeal to the IAS. FIVE MINUTES of really obvious searching would have shown you they are a bunch of [edited]. Over 83% of appeals are turned down.



Yeah just did some googling and found that out

i guess i play the ignore game now, assuming no bailiffs will turn up and they wont go to court

Alternatively can i not just email/write to them and say i reject your decision and agree to go to court, please do not contact me unless it is with a court date?

Will that stop the letters and harassment

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post Tue, 5 Dec 2017 - 15:14
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The bailiffs can't turn up as it hasn't been to court. Just sit on hands until a letter before claim comes along, if it ever does. In the meantime take some photos of the signs for later use just in case.
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post Tue, 5 Dec 2017 - 15:19
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QUOTE (ostell @ Tue, 5 Dec 2017 - 15:14) *
The bailiffs can't turn up as it hasn't been to court. Just sit on hands until a letter before claim comes along, if it ever does. In the meantime take some photos of the signs for later use just in case.



sorry, what will letter before claim be about?

There is no sign in that area saying i must be parked in bays .. the signs are in other parts of the car park.


What about the 4.56pm ticket, just ignore that too? as i parked after 4.30 and was parked in a bay
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Letter before Claim if they decide to go to court.
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post Tue, 5 Dec 2017 - 16:23
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IPC member firms are all the same. DO NOT try IAS and DO NOT panic and pay it. We know what we are doing.

If you get a LBC or a claim form in 2018 then come back and we can assist with your defence, which is a fairer hearing than IAS has been shown to be:

http://parking-prankster.blogspot.co.uk/20...ikes-again.html

http://parking-prankster.blogspot.co.uk/20...e-kangaroo.html

On this forum and MSE, almost every poster wins a fully-coached, well-defended case. NOT a reason to pay this bunch of ex-clampers.
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post Tue, 5 Dec 2017 - 16:41
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QUOTE (SchoolRunMum @ Tue, 5 Dec 2017 - 16:23) *
IPC member firms are all the same. DO NOT try IAS and DO NOT panic and pay it. We know what we are doing.

If you get a LBC or a claim form in 2018 then come back and we can assist with your defence, which is a fairer hearing than IAS has been shown to be:

http://parking-prankster.blogspot.co.uk/20...ikes-again.html

http://parking-prankster.blogspot.co.uk/20...e-kangaroo.html

On this forum and MSE, almost every poster wins a fully-coached, well-defended case. NOT a reason to pay this bunch of ex-clampers.



ok great thanks, i guess i will just ignore both now.
I thought i would get a reason to why the appeal was rejected but did not get that either ..
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post Tue, 5 Dec 2017 - 17:08
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There was no reason, no-one actually read your appeal. Computer says no.
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post Tue, 5 Dec 2017 - 17:17
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VCS / Excel are the "brains" behind the "myparkingcharge" website. I think the "PayMyPCN" website serves a range of IPC bottom feeders including PCM UK Ltd. Either way, these companies all have a nerve implying that it is somehow "your" PCN / Parking Charge.

The name of the company should be on the original "ticket" - from this you can gauge the likelihood of this ever going to court.

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post Wed, 6 Dec 2017 - 13:27
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So i checked the ticket and can not see a company name on it .. weird!

This is the signpost which is up around the carpark though (not where i parked)



In relation to the second charge, i parked here after 4.30pm anyway.
I did have a green slip stuck ON the parking charge notice, which said i need to move the car in 20mins ... this had a time of .4.20PM but my ticket was printed at 4.56 ..

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post Wed, 6 Dec 2017 - 14:13
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That sign is unreadable. Host at TinyPic and post the [IMG] tag on here.


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post Wed, 6 Dec 2017 - 14:30
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QUOTE (cabbyman @ Wed, 6 Dec 2017 - 14:13) *
That sign is unreadable. Host at TinyPic and post the [IMG] tag on here.



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post Wed, 6 Dec 2017 - 14:32
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So the ticket has no name on it? So you don't know who the invoice is from and therefore unable to pay it?

So that is a prohibiting sign. Parking is only allowed for ....... there is no offer to park for others. If there is no offer then there can be no contract and therefore no breach. And that's besides the time things. Bring up the fact that there are no bays and therfore any alleged conditions cannot be followed.

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post Wed, 6 Dec 2017 - 14:43
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According to the signs, you're dealing with PCN NW Ltd - find out more about them here:

https://bmpa.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/...9882-PCN-NW-Ltd
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post Wed, 6 Dec 2017 - 15:11
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QUOTE (ostell @ Wed, 6 Dec 2017 - 14:32) *
So the ticket has no name on it? So you don't know who the invoice is from and therefore unable to pay it?

So that is a prohibiting sign. Parking is only allowed for ....... there is no offer to park for others. If there is no offer then there can be no contract and therefore no breach. And that's besides the time things. Bring up the fact that there are no bays and therfore any alleged conditions cannot be followed.



There are bays, but just not in the area where i parked .. but there is no sign in that area to say you can not park here either .. so it is not clear parking is prohibited there

The thing is both appeals got rejected more or less straightaway, and i have not had any email communication from them

I am being advised above to just ignore it, i am just worried about it .. do i just ignore or send a letter or email saying i am not paying for these reasons, only contact me if you want to see me in court

QUOTE (Dennis Basher @ Wed, 6 Dec 2017 - 14:43) *
According to the signs, you're dealing with PCN NW Ltd - find out more about them here:

https://bmpa.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/...9882-PCN-NW-Ltd


This advised to write to them saying make your claim in court

shall i go with that route?
or ignore

many thanks to all
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post Wed, 6 Dec 2017 - 15:42
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Ignore, see what happens next

As this is a council Gym could the land there actually belong to the council? It's worth a check with your council.
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