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klx250s
post Sat, 20 Nov 2021 - 02:53
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post Sat, 20 Nov 2021 - 17:09
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When you are allowing medical staff to put the word covid on death certs just because the deceased had tested positive 30 day prior to death is obviously going to skew any figures re actual cause of death.

You’re just making stuff up.

They don’t put covid on death certificates because of a positive test within 30 days. The cause of death is up to the doctor who fills in the death certificate, based on their medical knowledge of the patient (just as it has always been) and if they’re not sure, the coroner gets to decide.

If someone tests positive for covid, has mild symptoms for a few days then 10 days later gets hit by a bus and dies, they’re not going to have covid on their death certificate. If someone has various underlying health problems and catches covid then dies, it will be up to the doctors judgement whether it was covid that finished them off, or if it was one of the other existing conditions.

‘Covid deaths within X time of a positive test’ is purely used as a statistic. A comparative measurement to help understand the progression of the virus over time. It doesn’t need to be accurate, because as long as the method for calculating it remains the same, you can compare one week to the next - the inaccuracies will cancel each other out because they should remain the same.

You’re so desperate to find a ‘gotcha’ that shows us all what’s going on behind the curtain that you don’t even bother looking into stuff before you regurgitate it here.



´´hey doctor what shall we put as this weeks stats regarding reason for death´´
´´oh just put anything as It doesn’t need to be accurate´´.

https://www.blacklistednews.com/article/812...ccine-data.html
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post Sat, 20 Nov 2021 - 18:19
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QUOTE (klx250s @ Sat, 20 Nov 2021 - 17:09) *
´´hey doctor what shall we put as this weeks stats regarding reason for death´´
´´oh just put anything as It doesn’t need to be accurate´´.

https://www.blacklistednews.com/article/812...ccine-data.html

Doctor? That statistic I talked about is nothing to do with what doctors are writing anywhere, let alone in death certificates. I also explained why the inaccuracies from other causes of death will cancel out (they remain approximately the same week on week). ‘Deaths within X time from positive test’ is useless at judging the instantaneous state of covid in the country (and isn’t used as such), but useful in judging the trend. If you don’t understand the maths, that’s fine, just don’t comment.

As for your buddies link, once again, you don’t bother reading before posting. That refers to an incredibly broad FOI request on an FDA document which is 329000 pages long. The FDA have stated that the fastest they can process the document for release (because they’re legally not allowed to simply release the whole thing without ensuring that content that’s not covered by FOI is removed) is at a rate of 500 pages per month. Which gives the 50+ year timeline. No conspiracy, no implications for the safety of the vaccine, just boring bureaucracy.

So far, everything you’ve posted here has been easily proven wrong.
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post Sat, 20 Nov 2021 - 18:51
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QUOTE (Spandex @ Sat, 20 Nov 2021 - 19:19) *
QUOTE (klx250s @ Sat, 20 Nov 2021 - 17:09) *
´´hey doctor what shall we put as this weeks stats regarding reason for death´´
´´oh just put anything as It doesn’t need to be accurate´´.

https://www.blacklistednews.com/article/812...ccine-data.html

Doctor? That statistic I talked about is nothing to do with what doctors are writing anywhere, let alone in death certificates. I also explained why the inaccuracies from other causes of death will cancel out (they remain approximately the same week on week). ‘Deaths within X time from positive test’ is useless at judging the instantaneous state of covid in the country (and isn’t used as such), but useful in judging the trend. If you don’t understand the maths, that’s fine, just don’t comment.

As for your buddies link, once again, you don’t bother reading before posting. That refers to an incredibly broad FOI request on an FDA document which is 329000 pages long. The FDA have stated that the fastest they can process the document for release (because they’re legally not allowed to simply release the whole thing without ensuring that content that’s not covered by FOI is removed) is at a rate of 500 pages per month. Which gives the 50+ year timeline. No conspiracy, no implications for the safety of the vaccine, just boring bureaucracy.

So far, everything you’ve posted here has been easily proven wrong.


´´So far, everything you’ve posted here has been easily proven wrong´´.. like what?

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QUOTE (klx250s @ Sat, 20 Nov 2021 - 17:09) *
´´hey doctor what shall we put as this weeks stats regarding reason for death´´
´´oh just put anything as It doesn’t need to be accurate´´.

https://www.blacklistednews.com/article/812...ccine-data.html

Doctor? That statistic I talked about is nothing to do with what doctors are writing anywhere, let alone in death certificates. I also explained why the inaccuracies from other causes of death will cancel out (they remain approximately the same week on week). ‘Deaths within X time from positive test’ is useless at judging the instantaneous state of covid in the country (and isn’t used as such), but useful in judging the trend. If you don’t understand the maths, that’s fine, just don’t comment.

As for your buddies link, once again, you don’t bother reading before posting. That refers to an incredibly broad FOI request on an FDA document which is 329000 pages long. The FDA have stated that the fastest they can process the document for release (because they’re legally not allowed to simply release the whole thing without ensuring that content that’s not covered by FOI is removed) is at a rate of 500 pages per month. Which gives the 50+ year timeline. No conspiracy, no implications for the safety of the vaccine, just boring bureaucracy.

So far, everything you’ve posted here has been easily proven wrong.


´´So far, everything you’ve posted here has been easily proven wrong´´.. like what?



´´ While it can conduct that intense review of Pfizer’s documents in 108 days, it now asks for over 20,000 days to make these documents available to the public´´,,, did you miss this bit?
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post Sat, 20 Nov 2021 - 20:16
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QUOTE (klx250s @ Sat, 20 Nov 2021 - 18:51) *
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´´ While it can conduct that intense review of Pfizer’s documents in 108 days, it now asks for over 20,000 days to make these documents available to the public´´,,, did you miss this bit?


I suspect that the difference may be because the intense review was on a money and resource no object basis while the scrutiny and release will be a single legal associate in the basement.

The story would seem to suggest that the timescale is based on the maximum pages per day that the court can force to be issued.
Which I'll agree may not be what is wanted but if that is the limit, why should the FDA do more then the court orders or can order?
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post Sat, 20 Nov 2021 - 20:48
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I suspect that the difference may be because the intense review was on a money and resource no object basis while the scrutiny and release will be a single legal associate in the basement.

And what would it mean to a non expert


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post Sat, 20 Nov 2021 - 21:02
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QUOTE (klx250s @ Sat, 20 Nov 2021 - 18:51) *
´´ While it can conduct that intense review of Pfizer’s documents in 108 days, it now asks for over 20,000 days to make these documents available to the public´´,,, did you miss this bit?

No, I saw that bit. It took it 108 days to carry out a completely different task, probably by a completely different team with completely different resources. Cool story, but so what?
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post Sun, 21 Nov 2021 - 01:26
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The covid on death certificates bit is always misreported. When completing a death certificate the clinician puts the ultimate cause of death, and then all other causes in sequence until you get to the initiating cause.

Of course covid will often be a part of that sequence of events because it's a disease known to cause hypoxia, which in turn damages other parts of the body. They don't and never have had to be close together - things like liver cirrhosis and asbestosis can be on a death certificate despite initially being diagnosed decades before.

Death certificates do not have the 28 day rule, that's only for the initial statistics the NHS produces from coding information (basically hospitals saying "please pay us for xyz treatment").

The problem is media treating it as an exact number when it isn't, not helped by wheeling out cases of someone saying "my mum was all better from covid a month ago when she had a heart attack". Maybe so but hypoxia or inactivity was likely a contributory factor. There will be cases where it is a tiny factor, and there will be cases where no test was done so it isn't on the certificate. Either way, the idea that clinicians are deliberately putting covid on death certificates because it's the trendy new disease is nonsense. Death certification is something people don't cut corners on because if you make a mistake you are going to get something rammed up your bum in short order by a consultant.

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post Sun, 21 Nov 2021 - 01:42
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Oh, and as I have been told multiple times (living in a town with very thick people) the NHS can't organise appointment letters properly. There is zero chance they could organise a fake pandemic with empty hospitals with over a million people all in on it.

NHS senior managers can barely organise a hospital in a hospital, you are ascribing far too much ingenuity to them.

At least people do seem to listen. I got told how ventilators are fake because they couldn't help covid patients by a NWO conspiracist. To be fair to him after explaining both how they help patients, that they don't help all patients which is why we have ECMO machines, and that I had actually connected and disconnected patients from ventilators so was well aware of how they function, he did seem to listen and genuinely change their views.

Clearly the issue is there are not enough ED trained nurses to individually explain every element of covid treatment to conspiracy theorists. And it's not possibly to go on a jolly tour of a covid HDU ward, because they are seriously unpleasant places to be as a patient or as staff.
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