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Hayes&Harlington/station Approach/ high point village, Dropping someone off and reversing on the ramp
Autosmart
post Tue, 17 Sep 2019 - 19:31
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Good evening everyone

Is there any point to dispute this one?

The situation was as follows:
The driver was giving a lift to someone on “suicide watch”. The driver was dropping off the passenger as close to the apartment block as possible as a resident from the apartment block was taking over from the driver.

The keeper’s name and address are both on the PCM.

When the driver realised that there are parking/stopping restrictions - it was too late.
There were no cars behind the driver - so the car didn’t cause obstruction or inconvenience.
The driver stopped for less than 2 minutes to drop off passenger.

Thank you in advance for any help and advice.

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post Tue, 17 Sep 2019 - 19:37
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I could be wrong but isn't the location where they cannot take action for less than 10 minutes stipulated by their principal?


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RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution
PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information

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post Tue, 17 Sep 2019 - 19:46
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Jlc how do I find out? I can go there tomorrow and check.
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post Tue, 17 Sep 2019 - 19:57
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This honeypot is the subject of a lot of threads

I made a visit a couple of years ago with the member Bargepole to take pictures of the signs for his court cases

The only signs are for the bays
There are none whatsoever on the opposite side of the road

In my view the motorist is entitled to assume that yellow lines have the same meaning as public roads and that he can stop for passengers to get in or out
If PCM wanted to forbid stopping it should have painted them red

The entrance signs are also defective
The last time I visited, there was only a small inconspicuous brown sign to indicate that it was a private road
There is also lettering on the road but it's cunningly placed so that, from the driver's viewpoint it's hidden by a speed bump

I recall a thread regarding the ten minutes rule

The contract's now changed but I also recall some threads that PCM didn't have any authority to pursue Parking Notices

Edit the obvious line from your post that identifies the driver
In my view PCM can't rely on the Protection of Freedoms Act to recover payment from the keeper
Although it's a private road, it's a public highway and parking can be subject to statutory control

Another angle that may be useful
According to the Land Registry the location has a restrictive covenant

I haven't had the incentive to buy a copy but it might be revealing
One possibility is that it requires the owner not to restrict access to the station



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post Tue, 17 Sep 2019 - 20:56
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Redivi which line? Sorry

Also, the markings and signs are much clearer now.

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post Tue, 17 Sep 2019 - 21:22
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Who's name is on the PPN?
Should be keeper

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post Tue, 17 Sep 2019 - 22:04
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The line that begins the driver's name and address
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Autosmart
post Tue, 17 Sep 2019 - 22:39
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Redivi - can you see the driver’s name and address anywhere in the post above?? Still not sure what you mean.

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post Tue, 17 Sep 2019 - 22:44
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I can't but, if PCM recognise the case, that sentence tells them who was driving
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post Tue, 17 Sep 2019 - 22:58
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Ok, got it and deleted the pics. But I think I’ll just pay it.
Thank you for your help everyone
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post Wed, 18 Sep 2019 - 07:36
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NO! Dnot pay it
Youre funding people who scam people out of hard earned money, and not everyone can afford to pay

The KEEPER is the person they wrote to, as noted on your V5
They have no idea who the driver is - it could be the keeper, it might be someone else. Except you tell them precisely who it is.
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post Wed, 18 Sep 2019 - 07:40
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EDIT your post of 22:39 where again you give far too many clues as to driver ID.

DO NOT give away anything that could be used to ID the driver AT ALL.


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post Wed, 18 Sep 2019 - 09:35
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I hope it’s fine now. I got rid of everything that could identify the driver (now I understand what you meant)
It’s not like I want to pay them, I just don’t have enough knowledge to keep arguing with them. I just wouldn’t know how to phrase the letter.

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post Wed, 18 Sep 2019 - 09:52
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I just don’t have enough knowledge to keep arguing with them. I just wouldn’t know how to phrase the letter.

You don't need it; we have it

Farenheit's proposed letter in a recent thread is a good starting point as it has the key ingredients of poor signs and an exemption to park on yellow lines

What you have to understand is that you're not writing an appeal to PCM

You're laying the paper trail so that a judge can see later that you acted reasonably by challenging the PCN at the earliest opportunity and that the PCM reasons to reject the appeal are nonsense
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