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[NIP Wizard] 1st speeding offence, M25 camera
Bazzaboy250
post Wed, 10 Jan 2018 - 20:53
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NIP Details and Circumstances
What is the name of the Constabulary? -
Date of the offence: - December 2017
Date of the NIP: - 39 days after the offence
Date you received the NIP: - 40 days after the offence
Location of offence (exact location as it appears on the NIP: important): - M25 jct 23-24 60 MPH variable speed limit clockwise Hertfordshire
Was the NIP addressed to you? - Yes
Was the NIP sent by first class post, second class or recorded delivery? - First
If your are not the Registered Keeper, what is your relationship to the vehicle? - Employee of company, company own van
How many current points do you have? - 0
Provide a description of events (if you know what happened) telling us as much about the incident as possible - some things that may seem trivial to you may be important, so don't leave anything out. Please do not post personal details for obvious reasons - Exceed a variable speed limit automatic camera. Was travelling home on M25 at 12.45pm according to letter, company van limited to 70 mph. NIP says I was traveling at 70mph, variable speed limit was 60mph.

NIP Wizard Responses
These were the responses used by the Wizard to arrive at its recommendation:
Have you received a NIP? - Yes
Are you the Registered Keeper of the vehicle concerned (is your name and address on the V5/V5C)? - No
Is the NIP addressed to you personally? - Yes
Although you are not the Registered Keeper, were you the keeper of the vehicle concerned (the person normally responsible for it) at the time of the alleged offence? - Yes
Were you driving? - Yes
Which country did the alleged offence take place in? - England

NIP Wizard Recommendation
Based on these responses the Wizard suggested that this course of action should be considered:
  • The law requires you to provide the information requested in the Section 172 notice within the 28 day period, naming yourself as the driver. If you are considering obtaining formal legal advice, do so before returning the notice.

    You should note that there is nothing to be gained by responding any earlier than you have to at any stage of the process. You are likely to receive a Conditional Offer of a Fixed Penalty (COFP) and further reminder(s). If you want to continue the fight, you should ignore all correspondence from the police until you receive a summons. You need to understand from the outset that while you will receive much help and support from members on the forums, you will need to put time and effort into fighting your case and ultimately be prepared to stand up in court to defend yourself.

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peterguk
post Wed, 10 Jan 2018 - 20:59
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Bazzaboy250
post Wed, 10 Jan 2018 - 21:05
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Yeah. That’s what I thought but I was driving my works van which has now been replaced with a new model. Would they have sent correspondence to the company/owner of van 1st? It hasn’t been mentioned to my by my employer yet.

Is this just a case of suck it and see. I was driving the van, autopilot mode. Should I just fill in form and send back?

Will it be a fine & 3 points? Seems harsh.

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Jlc
post Wed, 10 Jan 2018 - 21:25
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Fixed penalty of 3 points £100 or a course to avoid the points. Enforcement begins at 68mph.


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RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution
PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information

Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it.
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Bazzaboy250
post Wed, 10 Jan 2018 - 21:39
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Thanks Jlc.
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peterguk
post Wed, 10 Jan 2018 - 22:14
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QUOTE (Bazzaboy250 @ Wed, 10 Jan 2018 - 21:05) *
It hasn’t been mentioned to my by my employer yet.


Your employer presumably received a NIP and they named you as the driver?

And you have received a NIP in your own name?


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post Wed, 10 Jan 2018 - 22:42
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If you do not dispute your speed or the limit in force or that you were driving the van, then really that settles it. You will likely be offered a course if you have not done one for an offence in the last three years, otherwise a fixed penalty. All that section of managed motorway has cameras, you have to go steady and keep an eye on the variable limits.


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Bazzaboy250
post Thu, 11 Jan 2018 - 17:08
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Thanks Gents. I have received NIP in my own name. Will pay more attention next time. 😑
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