[NIP Wizard] What could happen? SAC or BAN/Points/Fine |
[NIP Wizard] What could happen? SAC or BAN/Points/Fine |
Sun, 7 Jan 2018 - 09:48
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 5 Joined: 7 Jan 2018 Member No.: 95,830 |
NIP Details and Circumstances
What is the name of the Constabulary? - Date of the offence: - November 2017 Date of the NIP: - 34 days after the offence Date you received the NIP: - 35 days after the offence Location of offence (exact location as it appears on the NIP: important): - A30, Meldon Dip Okehampton Devon Was the NIP addressed to you? - Yes Was the NIP sent by first class post, second class or recorded delivery? - Not known If your are not the Registered Keeper, what is your relationship to the vehicle? - Company car driver How many current points do you have? - 9 Provide a description of events (if you know what happened) telling us as much about the incident as possible - some things that may seem trivial to you may be important, so don't leave anything out. Please do not post personal details for obvious reasons - Dual carriageway, clear road. Steep downhill run with overbridge at bottom where a camera van must have been positioned. I was completely unaware as I do not tend to look up at bridges when I am driving. The car provided by my employer at that time was a large Toyota Avensis and was less than a month old. It runs silently and without vibration and the weight of the vehicle winds the speed up when going downhill. I travel this road every day and try to be very careful about speed but occasionally it creeps up without my being aware. It was a mobile speed trap positioned to generate results and I am a sitting duck due to the miles I cover each month and the large car I am expected to drive. NIP Wizard Responses These were the responses used by the Wizard to arrive at its recommendation: Have you received a NIP? - Yes Are you the Registered Keeper of the vehicle concerned (is your name and address on the V5/V5C)? - No Is the NIP addressed to you personally? - Yes Although you are not the Registered Keeper, were you the keeper of the vehicle concerned (the person normally responsible for it) at the time of the alleged offence? - Yes Were you driving? - Yes This post has been edited by catwood: Sun, 7 Jan 2018 - 09:51 |
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Sun, 7 Jan 2018 - 09:52
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Member Group: Members Posts: 1,547 Joined: 17 May 2010 Member No.: 37,614 |
What speed and in what limit ?
Have you done a speed awareness course in the last 3 years ? |
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Sun, 7 Jan 2018 - 09:55
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 5 Joined: 7 Jan 2018 Member No.: 95,830 |
Ach. I seem to have clicked on something to soon and not finished the Wizard thing. How do I delete and go back to the start please?
What speed and in what limit ? Have you done a speed awareness course in the last 3 years ? 84 in a 70 No SAC in last three years |
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Sun, 7 Jan 2018 - 09:59
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Member Group: Members Posts: 1,547 Joined: 17 May 2010 Member No.: 37,614 |
Should see an offer of a SAC ...
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Sun, 7 Jan 2018 - 09:59
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Member Group: Life Member Posts: 24,214 Joined: 9 Sep 2004 From: Reading Member No.: 1,624 |
SAC for up to 86 in a 70 limit (10% + 9mph)
-------------------- Andy
Some people think that I make them feel stupid. To be fair, they deserve most of the credit. |
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Sun, 7 Jan 2018 - 10:01
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Member Group: Members Posts: 1,423 Joined: 15 Apr 2009 From: Winnersh, UK Member No.: 27,840 |
You should be offered a SAC for 84 in a 70, but worst case should beca FPN with 3 points & £100
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Sun, 7 Jan 2018 - 10:01
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 5 Joined: 7 Jan 2018 Member No.: 95,830 |
That sounds encouraging .... but would an SAC offer still apply when I'm carrying 9 points already?
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Sun, 7 Jan 2018 - 10:03
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Member Group: Life Member Posts: 24,214 Joined: 9 Sep 2004 From: Reading Member No.: 1,624 |
In that case, you are probably looking at a custodial sentence. Probably no more than 2 months.
-------------------- Andy
Some people think that I make them feel stupid. To be fair, they deserve most of the credit. |
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Sun, 7 Jan 2018 - 10:05
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Member Group: Members Posts: 41,510 Joined: 25 Aug 2011 From: Planet Earth Member No.: 49,223 |
That sounds encouraging .... but would an SAC offer still apply when I'm carrying 9 points already? Yes. In that case, you are probably looking at a custodial sentence. Probably no more than 2 months. Either the wrong thread or the humour will be lost on most. -------------------- RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information, SAR=Subject Access Request Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it. |
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Sun, 7 Jan 2018 - 10:13
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 5 Joined: 7 Jan 2018 Member No.: 95,830 |
In that case, you are probably looking at a custodial sentence. Probably no more than 2 months. LOL. You're on form for a Sunday morning Jlc, thank you. I thought that, as a Totter, I would automatically face prosecution and a possible 6 mth ban. I spoke to one of the national legal companies that claim to argue against a ban in court and they immediately told me I am facing a ban. I do, however, get the impression that these companies are just looking to collect as much money as they can from the beleaguered motorists of this country so I am wary of their "advice" .... hence my joining this forum. This post has been edited by catwood: Sun, 7 Jan 2018 - 10:14 |
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Sun, 7 Jan 2018 - 11:08
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I do, however, get the impression that these companies are just looking to collect as much money as they can from the beleaguered motorists of this country.... Whatever makes you think that? Wash your mouth out This post has been edited by NewJudge: Sun, 7 Jan 2018 - 11:08 |
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Sun, 7 Jan 2018 - 11:21
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 5 Joined: 7 Jan 2018 Member No.: 95,830 |
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Sun, 7 Jan 2018 - 12:12
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Member Group: Members Posts: 109 Joined: 18 Sep 2017 Member No.: 94,099 |
In that case, you are probably looking at a custodial sentence. Probably no more than 2 months. LOL. You're on form for a Sunday morning Jlc, thank you. I thought that, as a Totter, I would automatically face prosecution and a possible 6 mth ban. I spoke to one of the national legal companies that claim to argue against a ban in court and they immediately told me I am facing a ban. I do, however, get the impression that these companies are just looking to collect as much money as they can from the beleaguered motorists of this country so I am wary of their "advice" .... hence my joining this forum. If you get a speed awareness course you will stay on 9 points. The amount of points you have now has no bearing on the police offering you a course as that is calculated from the date of your last course. If that is more than 3 years or you haven’t done one before it is likely you will be offered a course. You could take some paid legal advice but that would cost you a lot to get the same advice you have already had. You may want to save your money for the occasion after your course when you are next out of control of your “large Avensis”. |
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Sun, 7 Jan 2018 - 12:18
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Member Group: Life Member Posts: 24,214 Joined: 9 Sep 2004 From: Reading Member No.: 1,624 |
The amount of points you have now has no bearing on the police offering you a course as that is calculated from the date of your last course. If that is more than 3 years or you haven’t done one before it is likely you will be offered a course. Close, but no cigar. The criteria are- alleged speed not more than 10% +9mph over the limit, not done that course for an offence within 3 years of the date of the current offence, and admitting to being the driver early enough (course generally must be completed less than 4 months after the offence). -------------------- Andy
Some people think that I make them feel stupid. To be fair, they deserve most of the credit. |
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Sun, 7 Jan 2018 - 12:57
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Member Group: Members Posts: 109 Joined: 18 Sep 2017 Member No.: 94,099 |
The amount of points you have now has no bearing on the police offering you a course as that is calculated from the date of your last course. If that is more than 3 years or you haven’t done one before it is likely you will be offered a course. Close, but no cigar. The criteria are- alleged speed not more than 10% +9mph over the limit, not done that course for an offence within 3 years of the date of the current offence, and admitting to being the driver early enough (course generally must be completed less than 4 months after the offence). You obviously have some humour bug this morning. The OP had already been advised on the other criteria Maybe I would be closer to the cigar than punting 2 months in prison |
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Sun, 7 Jan 2018 - 16:30
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,006 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
It was a mobile speed trap positioned to generate results and I am a sitting duck due to the miles I cover each month and the large car I am expected to drive.[/b] In fairness to them, they're hardly going to park up where they know they're probably not going to catch anyone. On the contrary, given speed enforcement is funded out of public money, it's logical to use scarce enforcement resources as effectively as possible, i.e. where there will be a higher number of detections. This post has been edited by cp8759: Sun, 7 Jan 2018 - 16:30 -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Sun, 7 Jan 2018 - 16:34
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Member Group: Life Member Posts: 24,214 Joined: 9 Sep 2004 From: Reading Member No.: 1,624 |
In fairness to them, they're hardly going to park up where they know they're probably not going to catch anyone. On the contrary, given speed enforcement is funded out of public money, it's logical to use scarce enforcement resources as effectively as possible, i.e. where there will be a higher number of detections. Except that speed enforcement is funded from the £35 kick backs the police get from the SACs, rather than 'public money'. -------------------- Andy
Some people think that I make them feel stupid. To be fair, they deserve most of the credit. |
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Sun, 7 Jan 2018 - 17:30
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,006 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
In fairness to them, they're hardly going to park up where they know they're probably not going to catch anyone. On the contrary, given speed enforcement is funded out of public money, it's logical to use scarce enforcement resources as effectively as possible, i.e. where there will be a higher number of detections. Except that speed enforcement is funded from the £35 kick backs the police get from the SACs, rather than 'public money'. Is there any data to show that they get enough from SACs to cover their costs and generate a surplus? -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Tue, 9 Jan 2018 - 07:50
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Member Group: Members Posts: 480 Joined: 2 Aug 2005 Member No.: 3,508 |
I do, however, get the impression that these companies are just looking to collect as much money as they can from the beleaguered motorists of this country.... Whatever makes you think that? Wash your mouth out But all contributions are entirely voluntary, not made one for several years now. -------------------- Speeding tickets, like lottery tickets, are a voluntary tax. You don't have to get them.
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