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PCN - 12r - "Event Day" Misunderstanding
cybergambit
post Mon, 10 Jun 2019 - 10:54
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Hi,

I was hoping to find out if I have a case for contesting the PCN 12r I received yesterday (and if there are any historically similar cases that I can review).

This particular situation took place in the local area of Wembley Stadium where they have Event days which restrict parking on those particular days.

I was in Wembley and went to the London Designer Outlet car park and was told that it was an Event day today by the parking attendant and that it would £20 to park. With this information, I parked my car in a resident parking bay instead using my Event Day parking permit (zone EV) which it stated as valid on the parking sign during Event days only (outside of this, it is the standard resident parking Zone W). I received a parking ticket for this and when I asked a nearby Civil Enforcement Officer, they stated that I had parked correctly with a valid displayed Event day permit, however it was not an Event day today. I explained to him that the parking attendant in the shopping centre had told me it was an Event day and he said that was not correct and that I should appeal.

What ground would I have for appeal? Here are a few points I will be adding to my letter if I contest:

1. Incorrect information from the shopping centre is why I believed it was an Event day and that my permit would allow to park.
2. It was a Sunday and so had I thought it was not an Event day, I could have parked on ANY surrounding street on a single yellow free of charge, however because I had been told it was an Event day, I believed parking restrictions applied on single yellow.
3. I have shared an image of a sign at the shopping centre car park stating it was an Event day.
4. Brent Council works with the shopping centre and it is promoted on the Brent Council website - hence I would expect that any information provided by the shopping centre would be accurate.
5. I do not live locally to this area and so have limited understanding of when it is an Event day based on signage - this is why I had to rely on information provided to me by the shopping centre.
6. In all sense, why would I park illegally knowing that I could park for free on any single yellow and also park at the LDO for £20 rather than get a fine of £65??

Any help would be great.

Thanks,
C

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P.S.

A side note I wanted to make is that the fine for the parking was £130 (£65 if paid in 14 days) - but checking on the legislation page for penalty charges and it says that fines should be as follows:

Grade 1, Higher Level = £60 (£30 within 14 days)
Grade 2, higher Level = £70 (£35 within 14 days)

Not sure if the £130/£65 is allowed?



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post Tue, 12 Nov 2019 - 11:34
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Additional:

I was provided with a Notice of Appeal form (London Tribunals) to complete in relation to my appeal to the adjudicators. As well as the main section to complete the full details of the appeal, the form also has a tick box for grounds of appeal as per the following:

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Thanks


Don't panic I can do your appeal at the weekend for submission no later than Monday


Hi - did you get a chance please? I need to submit by tomorrow to meet deadline.

Is there any further information you need from me?

Thanks


So I can finish of can you please re attach all the attachments as they have expired. Put them all in one post If you do this your appeal will be ready today. You must register your appeal by tomorrow at latest that is the last day of the 28 day period


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post Tue, 12 Nov 2019 - 23:19
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Here you go sorry it's taken so long

https://1drv.ms/w/s!AtBHPhdJdppVwDFZAZB...teFZ38?e=mtksMU

fill in the bits in red convert to PDF and download to the tribunal when you register you appeal



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post Wed, 13 Nov 2019 - 10:57
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QUOTE (PASTMYBEST @ Tue, 12 Nov 2019 - 23:19) *
Here you go sorry it's taken so long

https://1drv.ms/w/s!AtBHPhdJdppVwDFZAZB...teFZ38?e=mtksMU

fill in the bits in red convert to PDF and download to the tribunal when you register you appeal



This is amazing - thanks so much, submitted.
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post Thu, 14 Nov 2019 - 09:36
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QUOTE (PASTMYBEST @ Tue, 12 Nov 2019 - 23:19) *
Here you go sorry it's taken so long

https://1drv.ms/w/s!AtBHPhdJdppVwDFZAZB...teFZ38?e=mtksMU

fill in the bits in red convert to PDF and download to the tribunal when you register you appeal


Had a response (see pasted below), more of a confirmation of receiving my appeal. They have said they will not have anything except what we send to them; so I assume we do not need to submit any of the street sign images etc. that I had posted on here? The only evidence/image I have provided is the one you had of the Event Day Parking at LDO.

Is that okay otherwise I can add any other of the images you think necessary?

Thanks


Thank you for your appeal which was received on 13th November 2019.

Your case will come into the list for decision on 11th December 2019. The actual date on which it will
be considered by an Adjudicator depends on the number of appeals awaiting decision. You will be
notified of the decision.

We have sent a copy of your appeal to the Enforcement Authority. The Adjudicator will determine your
case on the basis of the information which both you and the Enforcement Authority send in. You must
therefore ensure that you have sent everything you wish the Adjudicator to consider. The Adjudicator
cannot contact witnesses on your behalf. If you wish the Adjudicator to consider witness statements
you must obtain these yourself and send them to us. If you wish to add any further evidence to that
submitted with your Notice of Appeal, and you have been issued a verification code by the
Enforcement Authority, please upload your evidence via our website. If you do not have a verification
code, please send evidence to the address at the top of this letter. All evidence should be received by
us no later than 6th December 2019. Please quote your Case Reference in all correspondence.
You should receive a copy of the Enforcement Authority’s evidence directly from them at least three
days before the date the case comes into the list. If you require any further assistance, please contact
us as soon as possible, either by telephone or in writing using the contact details at the top of this
letter.

For further details of the appeal process and procedures please see the information on our website at
https://www.londontribunals.gov.uk/environm...ors-your-appeal.

Case Management Team



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post Thu, 14 Nov 2019 - 09:41
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QUOTE (cybergambit @ Thu, 14 Nov 2019 - 09:36) *
QUOTE (PASTMYBEST @ Tue, 12 Nov 2019 - 23:19) *
Here you go sorry it's taken so long

https://1drv.ms/w/s!AtBHPhdJdppVwDFZAZB...teFZ38?e=mtksMU

fill in the bits in red convert to PDF and download to the tribunal when you register you appeal


Had a response (see pasted below), more of a confirmation of receiving my appeal. They have said they will not have anything except what we send to them; so I assume we do not need to submit any of the street sign images etc. that I had posted on here? The only evidence/image I have provided is the one you had of the Event Day Parking at LDO.

Is that okay otherwise I can add any other of the images you think necessary?

Thanks


Thank you for your appeal which was received on 13th November 2019.

Your case will come into the list for decision on 11th December 2019. The actual date on which it will
be considered by an Adjudicator depends on the number of appeals awaiting decision. You will be
notified of the decision.

We have sent a copy of your appeal to the Enforcement Authority. The Adjudicator will determine your
case on the basis of the information which both you and the Enforcement Authority send in. You must
therefore ensure that you have sent everything you wish the Adjudicator to consider. The Adjudicator
cannot contact witnesses on your behalf. If you wish the Adjudicator to consider witness statements
you must obtain these yourself and send them to us. If you wish to add any further evidence to that
submitted with your Notice of Appeal, and you have been issued a verification code by the
Enforcement Authority, please upload your evidence via our website. If you do not have a verification
code, please send evidence to the address at the top of this letter. All evidence should be received by
us no later than 6th December 2019. Please quote your Case Reference in all correspondence.
You should receive a copy of the Enforcement Authority’s evidence directly from them at least three
days before the date the case comes into the list. If you require any further assistance, please contact
us as soon as possible, either by telephone or in writing using the contact details at the top of this
letter.

For further details of the appeal process and procedures please see the information on our website at
https://www.londontribunals.gov.uk/environm...ors-your-appeal.

Case Management Team



The photos of the signs in place will be uploaded by the council, Wait to see their evidence then if needed we can add to yours


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cybergambit
post Thu, 14 Nov 2019 - 10:28
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QUOTE (PASTMYBEST @ Thu, 14 Nov 2019 - 09:41) *
QUOTE (cybergambit @ Thu, 14 Nov 2019 - 09:36) *
QUOTE (PASTMYBEST @ Tue, 12 Nov 2019 - 23:19) *
Here you go sorry it's taken so long

https://1drv.ms/w/s!AtBHPhdJdppVwDFZAZB...teFZ38?e=mtksMU

fill in the bits in red convert to PDF and download to the tribunal when you register you appeal


Had a response (see pasted below), more of a confirmation of receiving my appeal. They have said they will not have anything except what we send to them; so I assume we do not need to submit any of the street sign images etc. that I had posted on here? The only evidence/image I have provided is the one you had of the Event Day Parking at LDO.

Is that okay otherwise I can add any other of the images you think necessary?

Thanks


Thank you for your appeal which was received on 13th November 2019.

Your case will come into the list for decision on 11th December 2019. The actual date on which it will
be considered by an Adjudicator depends on the number of appeals awaiting decision. You will be
notified of the decision.

We have sent a copy of your appeal to the Enforcement Authority. The Adjudicator will determine your
case on the basis of the information which both you and the Enforcement Authority send in. You must
therefore ensure that you have sent everything you wish the Adjudicator to consider. The Adjudicator
cannot contact witnesses on your behalf. If you wish the Adjudicator to consider witness statements
you must obtain these yourself and send them to us. If you wish to add any further evidence to that
submitted with your Notice of Appeal, and you have been issued a verification code by the
Enforcement Authority, please upload your evidence via our website. If you do not have a verification
code, please send evidence to the address at the top of this letter. All evidence should be received by
us no later than 6th December 2019. Please quote your Case Reference in all correspondence.
You should receive a copy of the Enforcement Authority’s evidence directly from them at least three
days before the date the case comes into the list. If you require any further assistance, please contact
us as soon as possible, either by telephone or in writing using the contact details at the top of this
letter.

For further details of the appeal process and procedures please see the information on our website at
https://www.londontribunals.gov.uk/environm...ors-your-appeal.

Case Management Team



The photos of the signs in place will be uploaded by the council, Wait to see their evidence then if needed we can add to yours


Great. Thanks


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bump for PASTMYBEST as requested
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bump for PASTMYBEST as requested


I am bumped


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