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Motorway tailgating and strange indicator light flashing sequence – what does it mean?
King Cut
post Thu, 8 Jul 2010 - 01:09
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I was tailgated on the M4 earlier today in lane 3 at about 85mph, I put the brakes on and slowed to about 55, then I saw the tailgaters indicator lights flashing in some strange rapid sequence, like a - left-right left-right and left again.

Not the first time I've seen strange rapid indicator light flashing, about 5 years ago, a Merc in front of me tailgating another car late at night did a similar thing - did a short rapid secuence of flashing indicator lights, and five minutes later I saw the car pulled over to the hard-shoulder by police.

Whats with this flashing indicator lights?
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post Fri, 9 Jul 2010 - 02:23
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If the other two lanes were both full, slowing down was probably the correct course of action - maintained space between you and the car in front. IMO, the obligation to move over for faster traffic does not apply to those exceeding the speed limit. If you're in lane 3 at ~70mph, then surely there can be no faster traffic, therefore you cannot possibly be obstructing anything that isn't on blues and twos (and therefore exempt from most restrictions).


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post Fri, 9 Jul 2010 - 05:15
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Sorry Strolling Player, but the outside lane 9lane 3) is for overtaking. I agree with your comment about slowing down being the correct course of action in this case maybe, very wise, BUT there's been cases of drivers being nicked by the BiB for obstructing lane 3 by driving at 70 in lane 3 to regulate the speed of those wishing to break the law and travel faster than 70. That reasoning doesn't hold water.

There may have been an emergency vehicle a few cars back and the cars in front had to speed up to find a gap to pull into. you never know, but then none of us has the right to obstruct the way of another, no matter how fast they may be going.
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post Fri, 9 Jul 2010 - 06:44
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QUOTE (roythebus @ Fri, 9 Jul 2010 - 06:15) *
Sorry Strolling Player, but the outside lane 9lane 3) is for overtaking. I agree with your comment about slowing down being the correct course of action in this case maybe, very wise, BUT there's been cases of drivers being nicked by the BiB for obstructing lane 3 by driving at 70 in lane 3 to regulate the speed of those wishing to break the law and travel faster than 70. That reasoning doesn't hold water.

If you're not able to overtake the vehicle in lane 1 at 70, quite rightly you shouldn't be in lane 2, but if the motorway is busy and you are still proceeding faster than the vehicles in lane 1, you are overtaking, and therefore have every right to be in lane 2, regardless of the speed of the vehicle behind you. Lather, rinse, and repeat until you run out of lanes.

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There may have been an emergency vehicle a few cars back and the cars in front had to speed up to find a gap to pull into.

That would seem to me to be poor form - if there's an emergency vehicle on blue lights, you make space for it. If you're in lane 2 (of 3), you slow down to allow drivers in lane 3 to move out of the way. Though frequently I've seen emergency vehicles on the hard shoulder.

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you never know, but then none of us has the right to obstruct the way of another, no matter how fast they may be going.

If you're at 70, you're not obstructing anyone. Being in lane 3 when you could be in lane 2 is another issue entirely.


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post Fri, 9 Jul 2010 - 11:21
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So you have the right to administer the law then?
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post Fri, 9 Jul 2010 - 12:05
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QUOTE (strollingplayer @ Fri, 9 Jul 2010 - 03:23) *
If you're in lane 3 at ~70mph, then surely there can be no faster traffic, therefore you cannot possibly be obstructing anything that isn't on blues and twos (and therefore exempt from most restrictions).


This is the sort of stupid w*****ish attitude that causes crashes. If someone comes up behind you, then they are going faster than you. You need to stay left as far as practicable. Whether the person behind you is exceeding the speed limit or not is not your call.

By your actions you will cause that person to probably undertake you or be extremely p*ssed off or both and that is bad for road safety.

Actions such as brake stabbing, lane hogging and a "holier than though" attitude cause crashes; understanding what's going on around you, being courteous and adapting your driving to the conditions does not cause crashes. Simples!

You don't drive a 3 series BMW do you?
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post Fri, 9 Jul 2010 - 12:51
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QUOTE (nomadros @ Fri, 9 Jul 2010 - 13:05) *
This is the sort of stupid w*****ish attitude that causes crashes. If someone comes up behind you, then they are going faster than you. You need to stay left as far as practicable. Whether the person behind you is exceeding the speed limit or not is not your call.

You don't drive a 3 series BMW do you?

I couldn't agree more other than to add or a VW Passat?


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post Fri, 9 Jul 2010 - 14:22
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or anything by Audi
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post Fri, 9 Jul 2010 - 14:30
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If you're in lane 3 at ~70mph, then surely there can be no faster traffic, therefore you cannot possibly be obstructing anything that isn't on blues and twos (and therefore exempt from most restrictions).


I take it from this you do have a calibrated speedometer so you can be sure you actually are doing 70?

It is people with your attitude that cause accidents and delays on roads that would otherwise be more freely flowing and safer for everyone.
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post Fri, 9 Jul 2010 - 15:00
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Also you are unlikely to get pulled even at 79 mph
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post Fri, 9 Jul 2010 - 15:34
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Bugger me, the judgmental brigade are out in force today, eh? rolleyes.gif


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post Fri, 9 Jul 2010 - 15:53
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First thread I've read where the bus drivers were accusing BMW and Audi drivers of driving at the speed limit, though. ohmy.gif


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post Fri, 9 Jul 2010 - 16:14
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I saw a white van using the inside lane on the A1 today so anything is possible.
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post Fri, 9 Jul 2010 - 16:41
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QUOTE (captain swoop @ Fri, 9 Jul 2010 - 17:14) *
I saw a white van using the inside lane on the A1 today so anything is possible.


Now you are really stretching the imagination of the thread !!!! Santa Claus exists .. but a careful driving White Van Man .. nawwwww biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif (no offence transit man )
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post Fri, 9 Jul 2010 - 19:09
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Thanks for the compliment Freddddd. lol.
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post Sat, 10 Jul 2010 - 05:41
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QUOTE (nomadros @ Fri, 9 Jul 2010 - 13:05) *
If someone comes up behind you, then they are going faster than you.

Point being? Right-hand lanes are for overtaking. If the slower vehicle in front of you is overtaking slower vehicles to their left, they're entitled to be in that lane regardless of what speed you're doing.

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By your actions you will cause that person to probably undertake you or be extremely p*ssed off or both and that is bad for road safety.

If there were some bizarre leap of logic that would somehow make my safe, responsible and legal driving responsible for the accidents your unsafe, irresponsible and illegal driving causes, how would I avoid it? Should I drive less safely, less responsibly, or less legally?


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post Sat, 10 Jul 2010 - 05:49
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The point being if you're overtaking, and someone approaches you from behind, the obvious thing to do is move left when safe and clear to do so and let them pass safely. Don't hog lane 3 (or lane 2 for that matter).
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post Sat, 10 Jul 2010 - 06:44
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QUOTE (roythebus @ Sat, 10 Jul 2010 - 06:49) *
The point being if you're overtaking, and someone approaches you from behind, the obvious thing to do is move left when safe and clear to do so and let them pass safely. Don't hog lane 3 (or lane 2 for that matter).

Who said anything about hogging the lane?


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post Sat, 10 Jul 2010 - 07:30
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The question appears to be what constitutes 'overtaking' (for the purposes of whether or not you should be in that lane).

In general, if you aren't going to reach the next car on your inside in the next 10 seconds, you are not overtaking. If you are holding up faster traffic, you're being a tw*t if you're in the outside lane. If you are not holding up faster traffic, you should avoid unnecessary lane changes.

The exception to this, is that if you are in a queue of traffic (whether doing 15 mph or 115 mph) and cannot go any faster due to the queue of traffic ahead of you, you are not really holding up faster traffic.

If you find changing lanes difficult because you have problems with spatial awareness, or because everything just happens too fast, either stick to the inside lane, or get off the f**king road.


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post Sat, 10 Jul 2010 - 09:55
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Sounds about right Andy!
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QUOTE (strollingplayer @ Sat, 10 Jul 2010 - 06:41) *
QUOTE (nomadros @ Fri, 9 Jul 2010 - 13:05) *
If someone comes up behind you, then they are going faster than you.

Point being? Right-hand lanes are for overtaking. If the slower vehicle in front of you is overtaking slower vehicles to their left, they're entitled to be in that lane regardless of what speed you're doing.

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By your actions you will cause that person to probably undertake you or be extremely p*ssed off or both and that is bad for road safety.

If there were some bizarre leap of logic that would somehow make my safe, responsible and legal driving responsible for the accidents your unsafe, irresponsible and illegal driving causes, how would I avoid it? Should I drive less safely, less responsibly, or less legally?


Um but your driving isn't safe if you are deliberatly causing someone else to brake when they didn't need to. In fact I believe you are guilty of driving dangerously. Who are you claiming your driving is responsible for? If its you, you are putting yourself at risk by hoping that another driver will react in the fashion you expect when you deliberately endanger yourself seems to be the definition of irresponsibility. "I put my safety into the hands of a person who is already (im my opinion) breaking the law and driving recklessly, despite being able to avoid the situation entirely."

Driving at the speed limit has no bearing whatsoever on whether your driving is safe.
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