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Lambeth Parking : 31j Entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited (Westminster Bridge)
estevenin
post Sun, 25 Aug 2019 - 02:14
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Hi all,

Received that PCN for stopping in a yellow box junction : The car has only a few bit in the box, and from the pictures, 7 seconds after the stopped picture, the car is long gone. Not even fully sure that I stopped at all in this junction. I understand from the Traffic and Regulation's that the lenth and the time that the car is in the box is irrelevant, in that case which argument could be used against this non-sense ? I looked around and saw other cases where the car was forced in the box, or a car stepped in front of them, but none similar to this.

Also, I requested the full video from lambeth council on the 5th of August, their automatic response says "We aim to respond fully to your query within 10 working days.@, but today 20 days after, they still didn't respond and I wasn't able to watch the full video of the CCTV

Note : The PCN has been served way after the contravention, because it has been served first to the hired company, I asked them to make a transfer of liability.

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Thanks in advance for your help

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post Sun, 25 Aug 2019 - 07:57
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show us all documents


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post Sun, 25 Aug 2019 - 08:55
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The purpose of that box looks like it's changed from allowing a right turn from the side road.
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post Mon, 26 Aug 2019 - 12:54
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The council website says you've made a representation and they replied on Tuesday 20th August, so show us what you sent and also show us their response in full.


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estevenin
post Mon, 26 Aug 2019 - 16:04
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I did not make representations, but as I mentioned earlier the PCN was first served to the hiring company. Then the company did a transfer of liability (I guess that's why iit is displayed as I made representations), then I received the PCN. The only other document that I have is the other PCN served first to the hiring company, which is strictly identical.
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post Mon, 26 Aug 2019 - 16:26
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QUOTE (estevenin @ Mon, 26 Aug 2019 - 17:04) *
I did not make representations, but as I mentioned earlier the PCN was first served to the hiring company. Then the company did a transfer of liability (I guess that's why iit is displayed as I made representations), then I received the PCN. The only other document that I have is the other PCN served first to the hiring company, which is strictly identical.

What is the PCN number of the first PCN ? is it the same as the one addressed to you?


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post Tue, 27 Aug 2019 - 12:00
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You need to press the council for the video, but if they don't come back in time you'll need to make a representation without having seen it.


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post Tue, 27 Aug 2019 - 21:53
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QUOTE (PASTMYBEST @ Mon, 26 Aug 2019 - 17:26) *
What is the PCN number of the first PCN ? is it the same as the one addressed to you?


Yes, it is LJ12160951. The first PCN : https://www.dropbox.com/s/kts3vcubde2cape/p...738%5D.pdf?dl=0

Alright I'll call them and try to get is ASAP
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post Tue, 27 Aug 2019 - 23:06
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They cannot have two PCN's live at the same time and they must have or yours would be a different number, so it would seem they have acted outwith the regs


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estevenin
post Tue, 3 Sep 2019 - 09:14
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I called them, and they said that the only evidences that they have are the pictures from the PCN, that they don't have any video. I was surprised and I asked again to confirm, and they confirmed "there is no video, the only evidences we have are the pictures that you can see from the website".

So I guess I will have to do with this (and can mention that on the appeal).

I will send my appeal tomorrow as it is the last day, any idea of which arguments I could present ?

I'd include that the car has not stopped, as 6 seconds after the "stopped" picture, the car is gone from the box. The light is green as well so the car was simply on the move as the traffic forward was going...

(So you are saying that after the transfer of liability, I should have received a new PCN number, instead of the number beeing the same as the one sent to the hiring agency right ?)

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post Tue, 3 Sep 2019 - 09:43
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QUOTE (estevenin @ Tue, 3 Sep 2019 - 10:14) *
I called them, and they said that the only evidences that they have are the pictures from the PCN, that they don't have any video. I was surprised and I asked again to confirm, and they confirmed "there is no video, the only evidences we have are the pictures that you can see from the website".

So I guess I will have to do with this (and can mention that on the appeal).

I will send my appeal tomorrow as it is the last day, any idea of which arguments I could present ?

I'd include that the car has not stopped, as 6 seconds after the "stopped" picture, the car is gone from the box. The light is green as well so the car was simply on the move as the traffic forward was going...

(So you are saying that after the transfer of liability, I should have received a new PCN number, instead of the number beeing the same as the one sent to the hiring agency right ?)


Yes yes yes two people have a PCN ( only one as it is the same number.) if the hire company have a cancellation notice then that PCN is cancelled end of. IF not they cannot have served on you because they must cancel one before service on another person


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post Mon, 9 Sep 2019 - 13:51
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See if you can get a copy of the cancellation letter from the hire company, that's your trump card.


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