Westminster incomplete address Options

[Lancaster]

Op recieved debt later from Marston chasing unpaid ticket Op was unaware of

Marston letter has Op name, town, county and post code but no street/road address
Op and 2 friends hire vehicles and using the Marston letter (client ref) and some guesswork based on prior hired vehicles thinks ticket relates to (Yellow box junct turning left when exit not clear) back some 16 months ago - 20/7/17.
Does not know who was driving on that event caught on camera and 3 pictures recorded do not help ID which of the 3 it was
Op did not receive any tcket (or word) from Westmin about this at the time or since - debt letter is the first communication - assumes hire firm passed Op name on
Does Op focus on debt letter and never having recieved original or have to answer anything else?
Thanks

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[Lancaster]

Checked with Westmin - the PCN is not recognised

That's not possible if TEC have it registered (by WM) as a debt.

It will be WE followed by 8 digits.

PCN is WMxxxxxxx
On portal It shows up as a PCN - if you add reg you get to see 3 pictures in YBJ - do you want me to post that info?


I tried the payment Westmin system via (02078234567) and online PCN payment - both option says "invalid"
-guess because Westmin have passed it on Marston

I spoke to TEC and they confirmed the address they have is the same incorrect address of which there are 20 plus houses

STILL awaiting Hirer company confirm they passed on liability


This post has been edited by Lancaster: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 - 18:36

[Lancaster]

Friend spoke to hire firm who agreed
They had passed his full details over to
WestMin upon receipt of the PCN
He has this verbally
Does he need docs? Has asked for these
And being recovered from archive as
16months old
Hire firm told him call WestMin seek to have
Ticket reset but I’ve said hold off
Please advise next step
Thanks

[hcandersen]

OP, sorry to keep on about this point, but the address is fundamental.

I am sorry to doubt your friend's account, but let's say that their name is A N Other, IMO it would be unlawful for the postman to deliver to a non-specific address because for all they knew the occupiers of every other one of the 21 properties could have had a friend staying with them by the name of A N Other all of whom were waiting for an important letter. Addressee is not synonymous with occupier or name on the bell.

So, can you go back to your friend pl. How exactly did they get the letter? Was it put through the letter box of their unique address, do all properties share the same letter box e.g. collective postal arrangements, they met the postman at their door etc.

Service of docs forms part of a legal process. The overarching provision is here:

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1978/30/contents

S7 refers.

[Neil B]

Anyone considered that this was hand delivered, other than by post, Marstons' rather efficient
tracing Dept having done their work?

Friend spoke to hire firm who agreed
They had passed his full details over to
WestMin upon receipt of the PCN
He has this verbally
Does he need docs? Has asked for these
And being recovered from archive as
16months old
Hire firm told him call WestMin seek to have
Ticket reset but I’ve said hold off
Please advise next step
Thanks

You are phaffing around. I advised you to tell him to ask WM what address the hire co. supplied, not to
ask the party who are, frankly, more likely to be culpable. (ok, speculative but a presumption that gave
a more likely successful starting point)

Also -
What address was on the hire agreement?
On his driving licence?
Billing address?

Whichever of the above the hire co used.

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And it follows that, if WM say they received the full address from hire co. you then ask what address
the PCN and subsequent notices were sent to.

[Lancaster]

I was asked to get him to ask the
hire company
I’ve done that
They confirm they passed on his
Full address (same as on his license, hire agreement
) he still hires from them
Hire company is in no doubt they sent
Fwd the FULL ADDRESS to WestMin

TEC confirm they have incomplete address
I spoke to them personally
Marston have incomplete address

Now if the instruction is to call WestMin
I will get him to do that

[Lancaster]

Friend called WestMin
They realised their error after
Pcn’s were returned and said they
Are cancelling the pcn not to worry

Does he need take any action to the debt
Ppl?
WestMin said they would be contacting Marstons themselves

[TigerRob]

If it was me I would be asking Westminster to confirm cancellation in writing.

[Neil B]

I was asked to get him to ask the
hire company
No, you were not !

Now if the instruction is to call WestMin
I will get him to do that

First ports of call>

-- TEC (the Court) -- 0300 123 1059. What address was the debt registered at?
-- Westminster -- What address were they given by the hire co. (assuming liability was transferred to your friend, the hirer)

Then we can get going.

Well done though, eventually

Note what Tiger Rob has said.

This post has been edited by Neil B: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 - 13:39

[Lancaster]

I was asked to get him to ask the
hire company
No, you were not !

Now if the instruction is to call WestMin
I will get him to do that

First ports of call>

-- TEC (the Court) -- 0300 123 1059. What address was the debt registered at?
-- Westminster -- What address were they given by the hire co. (assuming liability was transferred to your friend, the hirer)

Then we can get going.

Well done though, eventually

Note what Tiger Rob has said.

When asked What address were they ‘given ?‘
The logical thing to do is to ask the giver not least because the
Giver already knows who he is - WestMin don’t and revealing that
Might be against his best interest:)

[Neil B]

When asked What address were they ‘given ?‘
The logical thing to do is to ask the giver not least because the
Giver already knows who he is - WestMin don’t and revealing that
Might be against his best interest:)

Oh, I shouldn't but future readers might pay heed to your nonsense.

You ask advice, we give it, you decide something else is better and get nowhere.
You finally do as suggested and bam, case closed.

As for "best interests" bit; WM and the bailiff knew who they were pursuing; his name's on
a Court warrant !

Marston letter has Op name, town, county and post code