[NIP Wizard] 60 in a 30 zone |
[NIP Wizard] 60 in a 30 zone |
Sat, 28 Apr 2018 - 21:03
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 5 Joined: 28 Apr 2018 Member No.: 97,736 |
NIP Details and Circumstances
What is the name of the Constabulary? - Date of the offence: - April 2018 Date of the NIP: - 2 days after the offence Date you received the NIP: - 3 days after the offence Location of offence (exact location as it appears on the NIP: important): - A623 Hernstone Lane, Peak Forest Was the NIP addressed to you? - Yes Was the NIP sent by first class post, second class or recorded delivery? - First If your are not the Registered Keeper, what is your relationship to the vehicle? - How many current points do you have? - 0 Provide a description of events (if you know what happened) telling us as much about the incident as possible - some things that may seem trivial to you may be important, so don't leave anything out. Please do not post personal details for obvious reasons - Driving through a 30mph zone in a village called Peak Forest and at the end of the village, the road bends just before it goes up a hill into a 50 mph zone. There was a mobile camera just before the 50 mph zone that caught me at 60 mph NIP Wizard Responses These were the responses used by the Wizard to arrive at its recommendation: Have you received a NIP? - Yes Are you the Registered Keeper of the vehicle concerned (is your name and address on the V5/V5C)? - Yes Did the first NIP arrive within 14 days? - Yes Although you are the Registered Keeper, were you also the keeper of the vehicle concerned (the person normally responsible for it) at the time of the alleged offence? - Yes Were you driving? - Yes Which country did the alleged offence take place in? - England NIP Wizard Recommendation Based on these responses the Wizard suggested that this course of action should be considered:
Generated by the PePiPoo NIP Wizard v3.3.2: Sat, 28 Apr 2018 21:03:13 +0000 |
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Sat, 28 Apr 2018 - 21:14
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Member Group: Members Posts: 41,503 Joined: 25 Aug 2011 From: Planet Earth Member No.: 49,223 |
Any question?
That's going to court. A short ban is quite possible, otherwise 6 points. Fine around 1 week's earnings. Costs of £85 and surcharge of 10% of the fine (min £30). Assuming you are pleading guilty. -------------------- RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information, SAR=Subject Access Request Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it. |
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Sat, 28 Apr 2018 - 21:47
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Member Group: Members Posts: 3,306 Joined: 4 Mar 2017 Member No.: 90,659 |
Bearing in mind the speed might be worth requesting the relevant TRO(s) depending on whether the village has street lighting, to check if the signs are in the correct place.
They will normally email if you ask the council as they are public documents. This post has been edited by notmeatloaf: Sat, 28 Apr 2018 - 21:48 |
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Sat, 28 Apr 2018 - 21:55
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 5 Joined: 28 Apr 2018 Member No.: 97,736 |
So it's definitely court and possibly a ban?
It seems to be a band C from what I've read which means 150-175% of weekly wage. |
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Sat, 28 Apr 2018 - 21:56
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Member Group: Members Posts: 6,723 Joined: 3 Apr 2006 From: North Hampshire Member No.: 5,183 |
Anything over 50 (55 in some forces) is a court hearing.
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Sat, 28 Apr 2018 - 22:00
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Member Group: Members Posts: 41,503 Joined: 25 Aug 2011 From: Planet Earth Member No.: 49,223 |
So it's definitely court and possibly a ban? It seems to be a band C from what I've read which means 150-175% of weekly wage. Yes and yes. I accounted for the 33% discount for guilty plea. -------------------- RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information, SAR=Subject Access Request Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it. |
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Sat, 28 Apr 2018 - 22:03
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Member Group: Members Posts: 20,915 Joined: 22 Apr 2012 Member No.: 54,455 |
OK, so here's the approach from the northern direction. The limit starts some way out with warnings before the limit signs, and a flashing sign as you get nearer. Either side of the village its 50 mph like almost all Derbyshire A roads. Difficult to argue about if you were doing 60 mph, you were already over the limit before you got to the village ! I have driven around here and seen police waiting. Its a very busy road, so I am sure the locals demand that the police regularly make checks. Maybe the head of the council lives there !
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.3115675,-...33;8i6656?hl=en This post has been edited by Incandescent: Sat, 28 Apr 2018 - 22:05 |
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Sat, 28 Apr 2018 - 22:08
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 5 Joined: 28 Apr 2018 Member No.: 97,736 |
So it's definitely court and possibly a ban? It seems to be a band C from what I've read which means 150-175% of weekly wage. Yes and yes. I accounted for the 33% discount for guilty plea. It's a clear money making scheme. 60 in a 30 zone sounds terrible but if you saw where it was you'd see what I mean. I know I was going too fast anyhow but it was up hill accelerating to get into the upcoming 50 zone and the van was hidden just before the 50mph sign. |
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Sat, 28 Apr 2018 - 22:44
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Member Group: Members Posts: 56,195 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
Ignoring there was no need to accelerate to get into the 50, why approaching the 50 were you doing 60? I think calling it a clear money making scheme is a bit disingenuous under those circumstances? It’s quite common for speed camera vans to be set up near limit changes so it’s worth considering when it is and isn’t worth accelerating, saving a few seconds may have cost you your licence which sounds a poor trade off to me.
This post has been edited by The Rookie: Sat, 28 Apr 2018 - 22:44 -------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
S172's Rookies 1-0 Kent Council PCN's Rookies 1-0 Warwick Rookies 1-0 Birmingham PPC PCN's Rookies 10-0 PPC's |
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Sat, 28 Apr 2018 - 22:48
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,006 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
So it's definitely court and possibly a ban? It seems to be a band C from what I've read which means 150-175% of weekly wage. Yes and yes. I accounted for the 33% discount for guilty plea. It's a clear money making scheme. 60 in a 30 zone sounds terrible but if you saw where it was you'd see what I mean. I know I was going too fast anyhow but it was up hill accelerating to get into the upcoming 50 zone and the van was hidden just before the 50mph sign. These schemes don't make any money at all. In fact they cost quite a few quid. -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Sun, 29 Apr 2018 - 12:33
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 5 Joined: 28 Apr 2018 Member No.: 97,736 |
So it's definitely court and possibly a ban? It seems to be a band C from what I've read which means 150-175% of weekly wage. Yes and yes. I accounted for the 33% discount for guilty plea. I know my speed was excessive and I'm not trying to condone my actions. I am obviously going to be punished accordingly, which I accept. If I do get a short term ban then that means no points, surely that's a better outcome for me rather than 6 points??? |
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Sun, 29 Apr 2018 - 12:40
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Member Group: Members Posts: 41,503 Joined: 25 Aug 2011 From: Planet Earth Member No.: 49,223 |
If I do get a short term ban then that means no points, surely that's a better outcome for me rather than 6 points??? Depends. Both have to be declared to insurers and a ban will probably be loaded more than points. Some might find a ban of several weeks rather inconvenient too. But in terms of points towards a totting ban then, yes, it could be considered better. -------------------- RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information, SAR=Subject Access Request Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it. |
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Sun, 29 Apr 2018 - 13:50
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 5 Joined: 28 Apr 2018 Member No.: 97,736 |
If I do get a short term ban then that means no points, surely that's a better outcome for me rather than 6 points??? Depends. Both have to be declared to insurers and a ban will probably be loaded more than points. Some might find a ban of several weeks rather inconvenient too. But in terms of points towards a totting ban then, yes, it could be considered better. Thanks for your help |
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