Penalty notice - Redhill Station Car Park |
Penalty notice - Redhill Station Car Park |
Thu, 18 Apr 2019 - 11:14
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 7 Joined: 18 Apr 2019 Member No.: 103,480 |
Hello, the driver has just received a penalty notice for "failing to obtain a valid ticket or voucher" form the PCN Admin Centre in charge of Redhill station car park.
Annoyingly the driver did pay for parking that day on the app but paid for one car (the default car reg that comes up on the app to repeat payment) and on that day parked a different car, which is ALSO registered on the same app but not the default and didn't change it. Is there anything that the driver can do? Many thanks in advance This post has been edited by Millter: Thu, 18 Apr 2019 - 14:04 |
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Thu, 18 Apr 2019 - 11:41
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Member Group: Members Posts: 162 Joined: 14 Dec 2018 From: Sussex Member No.: 101,446 |
You have my complete sympathy. I have had a saga over Redhill station. Start by editing your post so the driver isn’t identified. Wait until the 11th hour to appeal. That will be rejected. Then do 2nd level appeal which will also be rejected. These railway penalties time out after 6 months, so drag out every part of the process for as long as possible.
-------------------- “Nobody leaves their house because they want to go and do some parking; parking is simply a means to an end, and it should be as easy as possible.” Rishi Sunak, MP
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Thu, 18 Apr 2019 - 12:41
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 7 Joined: 18 Apr 2019 Member No.: 103,480 |
Ok will suggest this, thank you!
This post has been edited by Millter: Thu, 18 Apr 2019 - 14:06 |
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Thu, 18 Apr 2019 - 12:47
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Member Group: Members Posts: 334 Joined: 1 Jul 2014 From: east sussex Member No.: 71,587 |
There are lots of recent Indigo/Saba threads - have a search through here and on MSE. As you'll see, it's a big scam so don't even think of paying.
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Thu, 18 Apr 2019 - 13:35
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Member Group: Members Posts: 6,898 Joined: 15 Dec 2007 From: South of John O'Groats, north of Cape Town. Member No.: 16,066 |
Dear sirs,
ref xxxxx VRN xxxxxxx I am in receipt of your above mentioned communication, addressed to me as Registered Keeper, purporting to offer me a way out of being prosecuted for an alleged offence against railway byelaw 14. Your blackmail will not succeed on at least three counts: 1. 'Failure to obtain a valid ticket or voucher' is not a byelaw offence. 2. The competent authority , not you, could only prosecute the driver, IF a byelaw offence has been committed. I, as Registered Keeper, have no liability under byelaws. For the avoidance of doubt, I have no obligation in law to name the driver and will not be so doing. 3. The Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 does not apply because land under statutory control, ie byelaws, is specifically excluded from the provisions. As you have now been made aware of the above, any further contact that you, or your agents, make with me, save confirming cancellation of the purported charge, will be a serious offence under data protection legislation. IF you are daft enough to continue harrassing me, now that you have been made fully aware of the facts and reminded of the law, YOUR offence WILL be actionable and I will have no hesitation in bringing such misdemeanor to the attention of the competent authority, The Information Commissioner's Office. Love and kisses. EDIT your posts to only refer to 'the driver.' This is CRUCIAL. -------------------- Cabbyman 11 PPCs 0
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Thu, 18 Apr 2019 - 14:04
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 7 Joined: 18 Apr 2019 Member No.: 103,480 |
Thank you all and posts now edited.
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Thu, 18 Apr 2019 - 15:34
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 7 Joined: 18 Apr 2019 Member No.: 103,480 |
Another question - if the date in question is 16 days (not working days but calendar days) before the date at the top of actual penalty notice does this contravene something?
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Thu, 18 Apr 2019 - 15:40
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Member Group: Members Posts: 9,985 Joined: 20 Aug 2008 Member No.: 21,992 |
No, that is only relevant if they are using PoFA to hold the Keeper liable.
As per point no. 3 in the letter that cabbyman suggested, it's not relevant here. -------------------- Sometimes I use big words I don't understand in an effort to make myself sound more photosynthesis.
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Thu, 18 Apr 2019 - 15:43
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 7 Joined: 18 Apr 2019 Member No.: 103,480 |
Thank you - ok have re-read
This post has been edited by Millter: Thu, 18 Apr 2019 - 15:45 |
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Thu, 18 Apr 2019 - 17:17
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Member Group: Members Posts: 488 Joined: 21 Aug 2016 Member No.: 86,563 |
All of the POFA applies except for Schedule 4.
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Thu, 18 Apr 2019 - 18:03
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Member Group: Members Posts: 162 Joined: 14 Dec 2018 From: Sussex Member No.: 101,446 |
If you’re ever suffering from insomnia, read my Redhill saga. Click on the downward arrow by my name, then click my topics. There’s only the one, but its attracted 7,700 views! Best of luck, remember “act very slooooowly” with byelaw tickets.
-------------------- “Nobody leaves their house because they want to go and do some parking; parking is simply a means to an end, and it should be as easy as possible.” Rishi Sunak, MP
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Thu, 18 Jul 2019 - 12:31
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 7 Joined: 18 Apr 2019 Member No.: 103,480 |
Hello all, an update on the saga. AS Appeals Service has rejected the appeal, as predicted. Who would be written to next with "questions for clarification" - Saba, ZZPS or AS Appeals?
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Thu, 18 Jul 2019 - 12:57
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Member Group: Members Posts: 28,687 Joined: 27 Nov 2007 Member No.: 15,642 |
Saba.
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Thu, 18 Jul 2019 - 13:24
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 7 Joined: 18 Apr 2019 Member No.: 103,480 |
Thank you nosferatu. And if a letter from zzps is received, the reply is that they have forwarded a number of questions to Saba? Or no need to reply.
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Thu, 18 Jul 2019 - 15:35
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Member Group: Members Posts: 488 Joined: 21 Aug 2016 Member No.: 86,563 |
You can ignore all letters unless they are actually taking you to court.
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