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Popla intial appeal rejected Krispy Kreme Great Cambridge Rd, Enfield - please help.
URBAN TECH
post Tue, 13 Feb 2018 - 22:46
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Hello all.

Thank you in advance for all your advice on here, this site is a treasure trove. I would like to thank cabbyman for his the following post, were I got my appeal notes from :

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showto...p;#entry1307192

I have uoloaded MET parking popla appeal

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1B7ykzjswuP...iew?usp=sharing

Essentially in line with cabbyman post above I appealed on the following grounds:

No landowner authority
No Keeper Liability
Lack of valid contract.
BPA Code of Practice – Non-compliance with the guidelines.
No evidence of the period parked.
Lack of signage.
The ANPR system is neither reliable nor accurate.

Is there any further information I can supply POPLA as I have 6 more days to forward any supporting documents.

Thanks

M

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post Tue, 6 Mar 2018 - 11:06
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QUOTE (URBAN TECH @ Tue, 6 Mar 2018 - 10:56) *
Is there anything else i can do?

You can 'reject' the POPLA appeal and wait for a court claim.

You will be waiting a while though - here.

They do have 6 years mind.

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RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
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post Tue, 6 Mar 2018 - 11:14
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QUOTE (Jlc @ Tue, 6 Mar 2018 - 11:06) *
QUOTE (URBAN TECH @ Tue, 6 Mar 2018 - 10:56) *
Is there anything else i can do?

You can 'reject' the POPLA appeal and wait for a court claim.

You will be waiting a while though - here.

They do have 6 years mind.


I went through the link you sent.

Tickets Issued

2017 Tickets Issued = 88145
2017 Court Hearings = 0

Is there any data on CCJ's etc that they force upon you or any experience from others who have not paid in similar circumstances , or is that only possible after your 15 minutes in court?

Thanks
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post Tue, 6 Mar 2018 - 12:04
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There has to be a court hearing and the defendant lose before a CCJ can be issued, if you pay within 28 days the CCJ is cancelled and removed from the record, if you do not pay before the 28 days is up then you have the CCJ on record for 6 years.

No court hearings means no CCJ's
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post Tue, 6 Mar 2018 - 12:17
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QUOTE (URBAN TECH @ Tue, 6 Mar 2018 - 11:14) *
2017 Court Hearings = 0

Is there any data on CCJ's etc that they force upon you or any experience from others who have not paid in similar circumstances , or is that only possible after your 15 minutes in court?


You've answered your own question. You need a Court Hearing (and lose it, and then refuse to pay) to get a CCJ. No one can 'force one on you' in relation to a civil claim.


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post Tue, 6 Mar 2018 - 13:16
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Thanks.

Is there any advice as to what I should do now?

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post Tue, 6 Mar 2018 - 13:54
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What gave you the impression you can "do" anything?

To make them go away, pay up
Otherwise, sit and wait for a court claim that in all likelihood will never arrive. Ignore debt collectors letters, they are POWERLESS
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post Tue, 6 Mar 2018 - 16:24
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To appear reasonable if a court claim ever does come, write and explain to them why you believe the POPLA result is incorrect and why you won't be paying.


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post Mon, 12 Mar 2018 - 21:23
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On the Popla Site, there is no Accept / Reject button, so do you just sit tight and wait for MET to chase or sell the debt for the next 6 years?

I wonder If they would sell the debt @ 20 pence on the £ so that I can chase the "driver".

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post Mon, 12 Mar 2018 - 21:25
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You write to the PPC, not POPLA!


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post Mon, 12 Mar 2018 - 21:34
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Mon, 12 Mar 2018 - 21:25) *
You write to the PPC, not POPLA!


PPC? The appeal was done through POPLA.
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post Mon, 12 Mar 2018 - 22:35
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any experience from others who have not paid in similar circumstances


Search this forum, and search MSE forum for 'POPLA lost' and see the hundreds of people happily ignoring parking firms after POPLA.
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post Tue, 13 Mar 2018 - 10:18
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YES the appeal was through POPLA

You reject the POPLA decision to the PPC, obviously.
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post Tue, 13 Mar 2018 - 13:12
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Thanks.

I emailed POPLA Complaints and received a reply this morning (I can post the full post if anyone wants to read it) but found the following interesting:

I have reviewed the assessor’s decision and I am satisfied that the outcome reached is correct. It is important to note that each assessor reviews the evidence and information provided by both parties to make a decision. The decision is support with reference to the British parking Association (BPA) Code of Practice and the Protection of Freedom Act (PoFA) 2012.

"Having reviewed the assessor’s decision I am satisfied that in referencing the sections of the BPA Code of Practice throughout their appeal response this is sufficient and satisfactory to show that they have considered whether the operator has adhered to the Code offered by the BPA.

Within its evidence pack of the site in question I can see that the site is bordered with roadways, as such, it is fair to assume that the boundary ends at the green. From this, I am satisfied that it shows the area that the operator is permitted to issue enforcement. The contract gives the site address, it refers to the fact that the operator has the permission to manage the land and provide services which detail is given within sections 3, 5 and 6 of the contract. Section 6 © clearly states that the operation must adhere to the BPA Code of Practice. I consider the other points that you presented in respect of the contract with the landowner to be of a generalist nature and do not impact on the service being offered or the contract drawn up between the two parties."


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post Thu, 3 May 2018 - 16:15
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QUOTE (nosferatu1001 @ Tue, 6 Mar 2018 - 14:54) *
What gave you the impression you can "do" anything?

To make them go away, pay up
Otherwise, sit and wait for a court claim that in all likelihood will never arrive. Ignore debt collectors letters, they are POWERLESS



Hello all.

The debt collector letters have started to arrive, see attached. Is there any point corresponding with them?

Thanks

QUOTE (nosferatu1001 @ Tue, 6 Mar 2018 - 14:54) *
What gave you the impression you can "do" anything?

To make them go away, pay up
Otherwise, sit and wait for a court claim that in all likelihood will never arrive. Ignore debt collectors letters, they are POWERLESS



Hello all.

The debt collector letters have started to arrive, see attached. Is there any point corresponding with them?

Thanks
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post Fri, 4 May 2018 - 07:07
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post Fri, 4 May 2018 - 09:09
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Thanks.
Is there any point in writing to them ?
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post Fri, 4 May 2018 - 09:11
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QUOTE (URBAN TECH @ Fri, 4 May 2018 - 10:09) *
Thanks.
Is there any point in writing to them ?

Debt collectors - no. They only have one purpose but are powerless.


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RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution
PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information

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post Fri, 4 May 2018 - 09:38
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Thankss
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post Fri, 4 May 2018 - 09:53
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QUOTE (nosferatu1001 @ Fri, 4 May 2018 - 08:07) *
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Ignore debt collectors letters, they are POWERLESS




QUOTE (URBAN TECH @ Fri, 4 May 2018 - 10:09) *
Thanks.
Is there any point in writing to them ?

If you ignore someone, do ytou write to them, or do you, instead, ignore them?
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post Mon, 7 May 2018 - 19:37
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QUOTE (nosferatu1001 @ Fri, 4 May 2018 - 10:53) *
QUOTE (nosferatu1001 @ Fri, 4 May 2018 - 08:07) *
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Ignore debt collectors letters, they are POWERLESS




QUOTE (URBAN TECH @ Fri, 4 May 2018 - 10:09) *
Thanks.
Is there any point in writing to them ?

If you ignore someone, do ytou write to them, or do you, instead, ignore them?


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