Help Parking ticket parked without valid permit or ticket Options

[Dini2019]

Dear All

I got this parking charge last month originally it would have been £15 I wanted to pay it but then all the coronavirus issue came out and there was a panic as I'm a student living away from home I had to quickly gather all my belongings and head home now that I'm home I received this letter and remember I forgot to pay for this ticket. I was parked outside of the university campus which is part of the university but only to permit holders I can see this is a private company is there anything I can do I dont have much money because of costs etc. I was told by others signs aren't clear and I only recently got the car so I was not used to parking zones.

please someone help

Thanks

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[The Rookie]

EDIT that post please, you refer to what 'the driver' did, no I, we, they, he or even the dog. NEVER give away driver ID unless you are sure it's beneficial to do so.

You will deal with this as the keeper of the vehicle.

Date of event?
Are you the registered keeper? If not who is?
Are you at the registered keeper address (as on the V5c registration document) such that you'll get any Notice to Keeper?

Photo/scan of the ticket please.

Hopefully there was no 'I was the driver' box involved when accessing the online photo's?

This post has been edited by The Rookie: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 - 06:35

[Dave65]

Can you/ someone get photos of signage?



This post has been edited by Dave65: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 - 09:43

[ostell]

And post up the letter redacted of identifying details but leave dates

[Dini2019]

Hi I'm really sorry for the late reply. What do you need me to edit on my post?

[The Rookie]

EDIT that post please, you refer to what 'the driver' did, no I, we, they, he or even the dog. NEVER give away driver ID unless you are sure it's beneficial to do so.

You will deal with this as the keeper of the vehicle.

Please edit as directed, although may well be too late now....

[Dini2019]

Im not sure how to edit my previous post but here is the letter received from the company.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Sh4dkg18ng...iew?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Shx0OjXoPf...iew?usp=sharing

[Dini2019]

Date of event? 10/03/2020
Are you the registered keeper? If not who is? Yes registered keeper
Are you at the registered keeper address (as on the V5c registration document) such that you'll get any Notice to Keeper? yes i have received the document

Photo/scan of the ticket please. uploaded

Hopefully there was no 'I was the driver' box involved when accessing the online photo's? Thank god there was not you only enter your REG and PCN number and click view

[ostell]

If you hadn't delayed so long you would have found an edit button below your post. Let's hope they haven't found this thread

Dear Sirs,

I have received your Notice to Keeper xxxxx for vehicle VRM xxxx

You have failed to comply with the requirements of Schedule 4 of The Protection Of Freedoms Act 2012 namely, but not limited to, failing to give notice of keeper liability in the format as prescribed by section 8 (2) (f) of the Act.

In addition you have failed to specify the period of parking as required by 8 (2) (a), failed to state that the driver is liable as required by 8 (2) (b),

You cannot, therefore, transfer liability for the alleged charge from the driver at the time to me, the keeper.

May I take this opportunity to remind you that the keeper can only be held liable for the amount on the original Notice to Keeper, as specified under POFA 4 (5) so that would be £60 rather than the £120 you are attempting to claim in your later letter.

There is no legal requirement to name the driver at the time and I will not be doing so.

I do not expect to hear from you again, or your debt collectors, except to confirm that no further action will be taken on this matter and my personal details have been removed from your records.

Yours etc

Send your appeal and when rejected don't appeal the the IAS. Wait for a letter before claim if it comes

[Dini2019]

Hi there Ostell

thank you very much for your detailed response on how to deal with this case.

so from your response i gathered that i forward this correctly in hope that the ticket is then voided because of failure to comply with these rules mentioned and that they could follow up with a Independent Appeals Service but when this arrives do not reply/appeal but wait for a letter which should come before the claim.

also you noted £60 - £120 but the original figures were £15 - then £60. was this a template which you had given and i need to correct any conflicting information.

Thanks again

[nosferatu1001]

Yes, you correct any info. SHow us your corrections
Your timeline is right; they SHOUDL cancel, because you have no liabilty in this matter, but if they did that they dont get paid. So, you avoid the IAS like the plague and ONLY bother to engage more if you get
- a letter before claim
and/or
- a claim form
You do NOT ignore thsse.

[ostell]

also you noted £60 - £120 but the original figures were £15 - then £60. was this a template which you had given and i need to correct any conflicting information.

What did the original NTK say about amount due and what does POFA 4 (5) say?

And it was written for you

[Dini2019]

THIS IS GOING TO BE MY RESPONSE GUYS

Dear Sir or Madam,

I have received your Notice to Keeper 501XX0 for vehicle VRM GXXXXXX

You have failed to comply with the requirements of Schedule 4 of The Protection Of Freedoms Act 2012 namely, but not limited to, failing to give notice of keeper liability in the format as prescribed by section 8 (2) (f) of the Act.

In addition you have failed to specify the period of parking as required by 8 (2) (a), failed to state that the driver is liable as required by 8 (2) (b),

You cannot, therefore, transfer liability for the alleged charge from the driver at the time to me, the keeper.

May I take this opportunity to remind you that the keeper can only be held liable for the amount on the original Notice to Keeper, as specified under POFA 4 (5) so that would be £15 rather than the £60 you are attempting to claim in your later letter.

There is no legal requirement to name the driver at the time and I will not be doing so.

I do not expect to hear from you again, or your debt collectors, except to confirm that no further action will be taken on this matter and my personal details have been removed from your records.

Yours

Miss.B

This post has been edited by Dini2019: Mon, 18 May 2020 - 08:22

[Jlc]

...so that would be £15 rather than the £60 you are attempting to claim in your later letter.

Is that true? I would assume the £15 was on the NtD and £60 on the NtK?

[Dini2019]

On the ticket given on the car it mentioned £15 then it would be £60 after 14days

[Jlc]

On the ticket given on the car it mentioned £15 then it would be £60 after 14days

Yes - it's the £60 that would be the limited charge as per PoFA 4(5).

[Dini2019]

so shall i continue with the appeal with the given info. all of this has confused me sorry

[nosferatu1001]

You continue with the appeal that was written for you. You also will need to edit your post, as youve told the entire world your VRM...

[Dini2019]

Date of posting:13/05/2020
Please quote reference: 5014310
Dear Miss B
Re: S & K Car Park Management Ltd
t/a Secure Parking
Parking Charge Notice Number 5014310
Vehicle Registration Gxxx xxx
Total Amount Due £120.00
Final Demand for payment
You have previously been written to by our Client, in respect of the above unpaid Parking Charge Notice
("PCN"). As they have not received payment, they have referred the matter to us for collection.
What you need to do now
You need to pay the amount due of £120.00 so as to reach this office no later than 14 days from the date
of this letter. If you are unable to pay in full you should contact this office to discuss what payment
options are available to you. As a debt resolution specialist, we are looking to work with you to resolve
this matter, but we do require you to contact us so that this can be achieved.
Full details of how to pay can be found on our website or on the reverse of this letter.
If debt remains unpaid
If you do not pay the full amount within the next 14 days or fail to set up an affordable payment plan with
us, we will recommend to the Creditor that they instruct their solicitors to instigate Court proceedings to
recover what you owe.
Chris Douglas
Customer Solutions Manager

Hi everyone i received this. The website didn't allow me to send in the appeal so that i could challenge the case. please advise what i should do

[Dave65]

No doubt this £120 includes the usual £60 debt recovery charge, which is not allowed and should be an abuse of process at court.
Also, you said in your original post the driver was parked in a permit only area.

We asked for photos of signage previously as this could be of a forbidding nature.

Could the OP ask the moderator to be able to edit the original post?