[NIP Wizard] Variable Speed Limits |
[NIP Wizard] Variable Speed Limits |
Tue, 28 Nov 2017 - 21:45
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NIP Details and Circumstances
What is the name of the Constabulary? - Date of the offence: - November 2017 Date of the NIP: - 7 days after the offence Date you received the NIP: - 10 days after the offence Location of offence (exact location as it appears on the NIP: important): - M4 Jnc 23a to Jnc 24 W/B Gwent 50 3 Was the NIP addressed to you? - Yes Was the NIP sent by first class post, second class or recorded delivery? - Not known If your are not the Registered Keeper, what is your relationship to the vehicle? - How many current points do you have? - 3 Provide a description of events (if you know what happened) telling us as much about the incident as possible - some things that may seem trivial to you may be important, so don't leave anything out. Please do not post personal details for obvious reasons - Probably a very regular occurrence. Speed camera turn on for a section of "smart motorway" heading into Gwent. All the signs are electronic, and the speed limit is variable. Signs/speed limits change frequently (I have seen two adjacent signs drop from 60 to 50 then to 40 before I have passed the second sign). On this occasion, I vaguely recollect the speed sign changing from 60 to 50 just before I arrived at the section with the road markings. I will do some timings tomorrow, but I would only have had seconds to slow down, and I don't like braking suddenly whilst on a motorway.. Therefore my NiP was issued for doing 57mph on a stretch of road where the limit was 60mph seconds before my speed was measured. It may be I still don't have a good defence, but I would like to know if there are any recommendations or official means to find out about "grace periods". (Also considering putting in a FoI regarding rear-end shunts on the same stretch) NIP Wizard Responses These were the responses used by the Wizard to arrive at its recommendation: Have you received a NIP? - Yes Are you the Registered Keeper of the vehicle concerned (is your name and address on the V5/V5C)? - Yes Did the first NIP arrive within 14 days? - Yes Although you are the Registered Keeper, were you also the keeper of the vehicle concerned (the person normally responsible for it) at the time of the alleged offence? - Yes Were you driving? - Yes Which country did the alleged offence take place in? - Wales NIP Wizard Recommendation Based on these responses the Wizard suggested that this course of action should be considered:
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Tue, 28 Nov 2017 - 21:48
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Member Group: Members Posts: 13,735 Joined: 22 Oct 2007 Member No.: 14,720 |
IIRC, there is 40 seconds between speed limit change and enforcement of the new limit.
A reduction of 10mph can easily be achieved without any sudden heavy braking, else we'd have dozens more cases here. I've never heard or read of any rear end shunt resulting from a speed limit change of 10mph. This post has been edited by peterguk: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 - 21:50 -------------------- |
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Tue, 28 Nov 2017 - 21:55
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Member Group: Members Posts: 41,503 Joined: 25 Aug 2011 From: Planet Earth Member No.: 49,223 |
The SI (Here) requires at least 10 seconds.
As Peter has noted the cameras are often set higher than this. This post has been edited by Jlc: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 - 21:56 -------------------- RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information, SAR=Subject Access Request Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it. |
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Wed, 29 Nov 2017 - 00:02
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Member Group: Members Posts: 13,572 Joined: 28 Mar 2010 Member No.: 36,528 |
If you had got down even to 56mph you would have been OK!
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