Great Speed Gun Scandal |
Great Speed Gun Scandal |
Fri, 14 Oct 2005 - 22:01
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Member Group: Members Posts: 685 Joined: 8 Mar 2005 Member No.: 2,524 |
Good evening,
Looks like we'll all be buying a copy of the DAILY MAIL tomorrow. The FRONT PAGE has the headline "Great Speed Gun Scandal" - as shown just now on the ITV News review of tomorrows papers. http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/6500/mail159py.jpg http://img447.imageshack.us/img447/5329/mail258hr.jpg http://img447.imageshack.us/img447/5119/mail350zv.jpg |
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Fri, 14 Oct 2005 - 22:01
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Mon, 24 Oct 2005 - 14:50
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Member Group: Members Posts: 3,410 Joined: 14 Nov 2004 From: Inside somewhere ;-) Member No.: 1,871 |
QUOTE The Speedmeter Handbook has absolutely NOTHING to do with it.
I beg to differ, products approved under the 4th edition will have a "contract" signed that only says that the company must provide expert witness support - it says nothing about "for free" They've clearly learnt their lessons..... However I don't disagree with you about that it is plainly wrong, which is why i'm shortly going to upset a few people at the home office (again) :wink: -------------------- Regards, Insider
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Tue, 25 Oct 2005 - 09:58
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Member Group: Members Posts: 685 Joined: 8 Mar 2005 Member No.: 2,524 |
QUOTE (Insider) I beg to differ, products approved under the 4th edition will have a "contract" signed that only says that the company must provide expert witness support - it says nothing about "for free" They've clearly learnt their lessons.....
Hi Insider, I think I'm with you now. I think we got our wires crossed. What you are saying is that agreements and testing are done in accordance with the current (at the time) version of the Speed Meter Handbook. I agree with that. However, what I was saying is that "legally" the agreement is standalone from the Speedmeter Handbook, unless it specificially refers to it. The parties to the contract are free to add additional clauses over and above the minimum standard laid down by the handbook. What I was saying is that once those agreements are signed, the Handbook pretty much becomes irrelevant. The Handbook is not a legally binding contract because the two parties have not signed it. The agreement on the other hand is, because they have. What you are saying, and correct me if I'm wrong, is that the agreements are driven by what the Handbook says in the first place. So if I've got this right I don't think we really disagree, we've just got our wires crossed a little. |
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Tue, 25 Oct 2005 - 17:24
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Member Group: Members Posts: 3,410 Joined: 14 Nov 2004 From: Inside somewhere ;-) Member No.: 1,871 |
QUOTE What you are saying, and correct me if I'm wrong, is that the agreements are driven by what the Handbook says in the first place.
So if I've got this right I don't think we really disagree, we've just got our wires crossed a little. Aye :wink: That's it in a nutshell -------------------- Regards, Insider
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Tue, 25 Oct 2005 - 19:19
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Member Group: Members Posts: 6,181 Joined: 10 Aug 2003 Member No.: 200 |
Good to have that one sorted!
-------------------- Blackbird
Help Ruffle some Feathers |
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Thu, 10 Nov 2005 - 14:44
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Member Group: Members Posts: 251 Joined: 19 Sep 2003 From: Watford Herts Member No.: 347 |
[quote="Clear Skies"][quote=Mika][quote=g_attrill]Courtesy Sky News:
The crystal ball predicts the largest civil litigation for damages, in British motoring history. :wink: Mendacious individuals always get found out in the end.[/quote] if there really is going to be a court case for damages , then all of the various councils/partnerhsips, MUST reserve their rights to claim against the importer now .. failure to do so MIGHT result in the company being cleaned out of funds and turning up it's toes when the first claim comes in.. thus protecting the USA producer. Then the ratepayer has to pay all the bills whilst the link with the producer has been lost.. Bill SNIPER/SHELBY .. make your selves usefull, suggest the claim for your partnership is lodged now.. PDQ IF U dont... The angry rate payers will hold u liable for not looking after tax payers fund.. gross negligence or similar.. who knows..[/quote] I think the way to to sue is under the term "joining" therefore the Civil case would be against all parties including the manufacturer, this would force the CPS/Partnership etc to make subsequent claim against the manufacturer if the court found it the main culprite! TomP |
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Thu, 10 Nov 2005 - 14:51
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QUOTE (TomP) I think the way to to sue is under the term "joining" therefore the Civil case would be against all parties including the manufacturer, this would force the CPS/Partnership etc to make subsequent claim against the manufacturer if the court found it the main culprite!
TomP thankyou kindly, at least u can answer a question the acpo are unable to.. I asked every cc in the uk, as it's surely an issue local people need to know.. I.E. are we going to have to pay more rates, or more tax , if any piece of equipment used is wrong and there is a huge payback as in Australia. The acpo said, it's hypothetical and instructed all the cc's not to answer..The mind boggles, at such severe, almost devine , intervention on what is a fair question. Tom P for CC :lol: rgds & thnks Bill -------------------- |
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Thu, 8 Dec 2005 - 18:58
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Member Group: Life Member Posts: 2,872 Joined: 17 May 2004 Member No.: 1,213 |
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Wed, 22 Feb 2006 - 18:07
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Member Group: Life Member Posts: 2,872 Joined: 17 May 2004 Member No.: 1,213 |
QUOTE The Speedmeter Handbook has absolutely NOTHING to do with it. I beg to differ, products approved under the 4th edition will have a "contract" signed that only says that the company must provide expert witness support - it says nothing about "for free" They've clearly learnt their lessons..... However I don't disagree with you about that it is plainly wrong, which is why i'm shortly going to upset a few people at the home office (again) maybe they changed the rules in the 4th edition and set the chap up who ended up having to pay 4 grand costs this week. when were the rules changed before or after he started his case, if after , a note to his solicitor may assist him . rgds bill -------------------- |
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Tue, 21 Nov 2006 - 00:22
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Member Group: Members Posts: 1,397 Joined: 16 Oct 2006 From: S.Yorks Member No.: 8,288 |
One thing that has come out is that you can get a reflected speed. We have been concentrating on slip error, but when a LTI20/20 is pointed at an angle on to a shiny car or even hits some chrome. you can get a speed reading from another car. This is not an insignificant discovery as I am sure it affects all laser devices. This is called a "specular reflection". ALL laser based devices will be susceptible to them. All it takes is to hit a mirror-like surface. E.G. chrome trim, glass (if hit at a shallow angle), gloss paint (if hit at a shallow angle), or a wing mirror at any angle. Look at any car under bright, low-in-the-sky sunlight. Walk around it. You will soon see which bits create specular reflections and at what angles. Dr.S -------------------- Dr.S Telephone calls may be recorded for the purpose of detection and prevention of crime. I am an engineer/physicist, not a lawyer. My answers are based on The Laws 'O Physics (which ya' can 'ne change, Cap'n). The law of the land is a much more slippery and changeable thing. "The only way to deal with bureaucrats is with stealth and sudden violence" - Boutros Boutros-Ghali, Secretary General of the United Nations NOTICE The content of this post and of any replies to it may assist in or relate to the formulation of strategy tactics etcetera in a legal action. This post and any replies to it should therefore be assumed to be legally privileged and therefore must not be disclosed, copied, quoted, discussed, used or referred to outside of the PePiPoo forum on which it was originally posted additionally it must not be disclosed, copied, quoted, discussed, used or referred to by any person or organisation other than a member of PePiPoo appropriately paid up and in full compliance with the PePiPoo terms of use for the forum on which it was originally posted. The PePiPoo terms of use can be found at http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?act=boardrules. For the avoidance of doubt, if you are reading this material in any form other than an on-line HTML resource directly and legitimately accessed via a URL commencing "http://forums.pepipoo.com" then it has been obtained by improper means and you are probably reading it in breach of legal privilege. If the material you are reading does not include this notice then it has been obtained improperly and you are probably reading it in breach of legal privilege. Your attention is drawn to the Written Standards for the Conduct of Professional Work issued by the Bar Standards Board particularly under heading 7, "Documents". |
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