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AscotGuy
post Wed, 13 Sep 2017 - 17:14
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My wife is attending a drink driving awareness course. Can anyone confirm whether the following is true?

She was told that it is illegal to drink coffee whilst driving but it is OK to drink water. This seems strange. To me, both are technically legal but you could be charged with something like careless driving. The RAC has a web page which seems to back this up.
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post Wed, 13 Sep 2017 - 17:21
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There is no distinct offence, either could be 'not being in a position to excercise proper control' or 'without due car and attention'. Water versus coffee seems an irrelevance!


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post Wed, 13 Sep 2017 - 17:28
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Wed, 13 Sep 2017 - 18:21) *
There is no distinct offence, either could be 'not being in a position to excercise proper control' or 'without due car and attention'. Water versus coffee seems an irrelevance!


Thanks, thats what I thought.
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post Wed, 13 Sep 2017 - 17:38
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What does drinking coffee or water have to do with drink driving which to anyone asked means alcohol.???
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post Wed, 13 Sep 2017 - 17:44
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QUOTE (StuartBu @ Wed, 13 Sep 2017 - 18:38) *
What does drinking coffee or water have to do with drink driving which to anyone asked means alcohol.???


It is alcohol. She was highlighting areas of the law you can get caught out by.
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post Wed, 13 Sep 2017 - 17:48
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QUOTE (AscotGuy @ Wed, 13 Sep 2017 - 18:44) *
QUOTE (StuartBu @ Wed, 13 Sep 2017 - 18:38) *
What does drinking coffee or water have to do with drink driving which to anyone asked means alcohol.???


It is alcohol. She was highlighting areas of the law you can get caught out by.

Yeah I get it now.. I read the OP too quickly...lol
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post Wed, 13 Sep 2017 - 18:18
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Wed, 13 Sep 2017 - 18:21) *
There is no distinct offence, either could be 'not being in a position to excercise proper control' or 'without due car and attention'. Water versus coffee seems an irrelevance!


It's a lot harder to drink a hot beverage than it is to drink water.

Spilling a hot drink is not pleasant.

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post Wed, 13 Sep 2017 - 18:26
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My wife has been sharing some of the things the instructor said.

Apparently, a landscape gardener can't use a ride-on mower in someones back garden and a man can't go go-karting with his kids due to the fact that they have lost their licenses due to DD.

Now I only did Law to 'O' Level 30 years ago but that doesn't seem right as you don't need a driving license for either activity.
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post Wed, 13 Sep 2017 - 18:41
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QUOTE (AscotGuy @ Wed, 13 Sep 2017 - 19:26) *
My wife has been sharing some of the things the instructor said.

Apparently, a landscape gardener can't use a ride-on mower in someones back garden and a man can't go go-karting with his kids due to the fact that they have lost their licenses due to DD.

Now I only did Law to 'O' Level 30 years ago but that doesn't seem right as you don't need a driving license for either activity.


Hmmm, were the instructors having a game of who could come up with the biggest load of old ****?


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post Wed, 13 Sep 2017 - 20:06
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And thats the problem with the courses,they are designed purely to extract money,not properly equip drivers to make the roads safer.They are at best full of misleading information,but question it and they try to come down on you like a ton of bricks.
A couple of discrepancys were :
I asked for the proof of the convictions for 31mph they were banding around,of course it didnt come.

Another was 25% of accidents in the uk was caused by speeding drivers.When confronted they actually backed down and changed to, that was the Yorkshire figures,which was suggested that either the polices forms were different in Yorks or the drivers were particularly bad at conforming to speed limits while having shunts.Of course it was utter tripe but at least we have piece of mind with the figures of drivers attending courses is greatly increasing and we all have safer roads.
Strangely that isnt what i see on a day to day basis.

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post Sun, 17 Sep 2017 - 13:58
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Just look at the alleged stopping distances shown in the highway code.
Complete and utter bollocks.
People are treated like sheep in this country.
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post Sun, 17 Sep 2017 - 18:14
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The HC stopping distances were correct when they were first 'worked out' in the 1960's (I once had an advanced driving lesson from a Police instructor who as a young PC was on the team) but they haven't been updated since, they represent a stop at about 1/2g while most modern cars can push towards 1g (or about 3/4g with cheap shitty Chinese tyres).


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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Sun, 17 Sep 2017 - 19:14) *
they represent a stop at about 1/2g while most modern cars can push towards 1g (or about 3/4g with cheap shitty Chinese tyres).

If you plug the numbers in they're calculated as 2/3s "thinking time" followed by 2/3g braking. Massively underestimating modern cars' braking performance, but probably equally underestimating modern drivers' reaction time. smile.gif


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QUOTE (Fredd @ Sun, 17 Sep 2017 - 19:29) *
.......... Massively underestimating modern cars' braking performance, but probably equally underestimating modern drivers' reaction time. smile.gif


Many drivers seem to massively overestimate the braking efficiency of their cars while believing that they can react instantly.
Only conclusion I can come to considering the stopping distances people seem to use when in traffic on high speed roads.

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post Mon, 18 Sep 2017 - 16:25
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Problem is, and I'm sure you are going to all agree with me here, is that if you attempt any sort of reasonable gap on the motorway between yourself and the vehicle in front, someone is invariably going to change lane to fill that gap. There IS no concept of a reasonable distance a lot of the time because so many drivers just want to go as fast as they can to their destination.
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QUOTE (Tartarus @ Mon, 18 Sep 2017 - 17:25) *
Problem is, and I'm sure you are going to all agree with me here


Really!? Have you read any recent topics here in the flamepit?

Generally I don't find this to be much of an issue, if someone pulls in too close in front just slow down for a moment and viola, safe distance restored.


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post Mon, 18 Sep 2017 - 17:57
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QUOTE (Tartarus @ Mon, 18 Sep 2017 - 17:25) *
Problem is, and I'm sure you are going to all agree with me here, is that if you attempt any sort of reasonable gap on the motorway between yourself and the vehicle in front, someone is invariably going to change lane to fill that gap. There IS no concept of a reasonable distance a lot of the time because so many drivers just want to go as fast as they can to their destination.

I have found that. It is mildly irritating.


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QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Mon, 18 Sep 2017 - 18:57) *
QUOTE (Tartarus @ Mon, 18 Sep 2017 - 17:25) *
Problem is, and I'm sure you are going to all agree with me here, is that if you attempt any sort of reasonable gap on the motorway between yourself and the vehicle in front, someone is invariably going to change lane to fill that gap. There IS no concept of a reasonable distance a lot of the time because so many drivers just want to go as fast as they can to their destination.

I have found that. It is mildly irritating.

Ameliorated by adaptive cruise control - but also a temptation to reduce the set following distance to avoid w***ers cutting in and continually triggering braking.


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post Mon, 18 Sep 2017 - 20:23
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Favourite is w***ers cutting in just in front of you and then slowing down to create a larger gap to the car in front.


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post Tue, 19 Sep 2017 - 13:15
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I drove from Leicester to Middlesbrough to Leicester yesterday playing 'count the w**kers' At times it felt like I was reversing down the A1!

Often with nothing behind me, a 'safe gap' to the car infornt and already committed to overtaking i found myself on the brakes. Shrorten the gap and the game became less fun!



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