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NOTICE OF APPOINTMENT AS DEBT COLLECTORS
sandygarg
post Sat, 2 Sep 2017 - 19:13
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Dear Sir,

I was shocked to received a letter from the debt collector company with total outstanding amount as 392.00£ sad.gif, the details of this letter is as follows

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Client: London borough of ealing
Contravention date: 01/12/2015
VRM: ******* (this is the VRM of my vehicle)
Location: The broadway/ herbert Road Southall 818

We have been instructed by the London borough of ealing to recover the above parking charges which remain outstanding.

PLEASE DO NOT IGNORE THIS LETTER. FURTHER ACTION MAY BE TAKEN AT CONSIDERABLE COST TO YOU IF THE DEBT IS NOT CLEARED.
"

the letter is just one page without any further details of the PCN and contravention date is 08/12/2015. I had never received any other letter from London Borough Of Ealing and I am totally confused what shall I do now. The debt company is asking a heft charge of 392 and there is no way I can pay that, even my car is even less than that.

Please advise what shall I do, how can I challenge this letter and PCN etc.

Many Thanks
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post Sat, 2 Sep 2017 - 19:27
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Start with basics. You claim to know nothing of the matter so have you moved recently?

Get your V5C out for the vehicle and check the address is 100% correct.

Most of these surprises are not due to the loss by Royal Mail of all the correspondence sent out, but by a V5C address out of date or incorrect for another reason.

And either garage your car or park it it some distance from your house.


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post Sat, 2 Sep 2017 - 19:52
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The only way to turn this around to get back to the original PCN is to submit an Out-of-Time Statutory Declaration, or a Witness Statement. Which one you submit depends on what the PCN was issued for. Whilst it is free to submit one, it can and will be opposed by the council who clearly don't want to have to pay the bailiffs and not get any dosh.

Do, please, answer the questions raised by Peterguk. We see far too many people on here who have moved and not updated their V5C, so all the correspondence goes to their old address and is not forwarded or returned. Councils issue all the documents in the process and when they get nothing back instruct bailiffs who are very diligent in seeking out the debt. Incidentally, whilst they tend to seize your car, they can seize any property, a car is just easier.
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Neil B
post Sat, 2 Sep 2017 - 20:08
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The amount £392 makes no sense.

Topic title is interesting too?

Show us what you have received.


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Sme f yu may have nticed I dn't currently have a letter ' ' n my keybard!!!!

S if I appear t be talking mre gibberish than nrmal then that's the answer - the missing 'o' --<<<< Aha, clever eh!? (reserve on-screen keyboard)
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post Sun, 3 Sep 2017 - 11:14
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Scan the letter and post up a link to it. Don't attach the letter to a post as you will run out of space. Use a hosting site such as tinypic.com, there are plenty of others. Create a free of charge basic account, upload your photo/doc/scan and copy and paste the the link into a post on here. If you don't have a scanner you could take a picture with a phone. Please make sure the photo is evenly lit, flat and the right way up. And if you can't read it nor can we. You need to edit out or otherwise redact your name and address and the VRM. Please leave everything else visible. Especially dates, times locations and enforcement authority details. You could use some cut up pieces of post-it note to redact.

I too cannot reconcile the £392 with the defined enforcement process. Let's see what's what?

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QUOTE (sandygarg @ Sat, 2 Sep 2017 - 20:13) *
what shall I do now.

Talk to us?


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sandygarg
post Sat, 9 Sep 2017 - 19:41
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Apologies, I was away for a week and could not reply earlier. Please see attached the scan letter.
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Neil B
post Sat, 9 Sep 2017 - 19:45
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What do the figures top right say?

or

Host images externally, e.g. Tinypic or Flickr and paste the [IMG] or BB codes, respectively,
in a reply here.


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peterguk
post Sat, 9 Sep 2017 - 19:48
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QUOTE (Neil B @ Sat, 2 Sep 2017 - 21:08) *
The amount £392 makes no sense.


Even moreso considering the DC letter mentions £404.00.


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Neil B
post Sat, 9 Sep 2017 - 19:49
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and why have you blanked out who it's from?


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S if I appear t be talking mre gibberish than nrmal then that's the answer - the missing 'o' --<<<< Aha, clever eh!? (reserve on-screen keyboard)
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sandygarg
post Sat, 9 Sep 2017 - 19:51
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Yes, you are right, I moved home in Dec 2015 and did not change the address on V5C until Feb 2016 and I assume they might have sent the original PCN to the old address.

But still it has been more than 18 months since I got the address updated on V5C and I never received anything from either council or someone else within those 18 months.

I also got the wrong amount in my original post as 392 (I was/am very nervous/shocked due to this high amount they are claiming), the right amount is 404£, so apology for this.

Please please advice what are the options for me as there is no way I can pay this money.

Many Thanks!
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post Sat, 9 Sep 2017 - 19:55
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and the outstanding questions?


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sandygarg
post Sat, 9 Sep 2017 - 19:56
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QUOTE (Neil B @ Sat, 9 Sep 2017 - 20:49) *
and why have you blanked out who it's from?


It is from Newlyn. Do you want me to scan the letter again?
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post Sat, 9 Sep 2017 - 20:00
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QUOTE (sandygarg @ Sat, 9 Sep 2017 - 20:56) *
QUOTE (Neil B @ Sat, 9 Sep 2017 - 20:49) *
and why have you blanked out who it's from?


It is from Newlyn. Do you want me to scan the letter again?

See posts #5 and #8.


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sandygarg
post Sat, 9 Sep 2017 - 20:02
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another scan of the same letter.
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Neil B
post Sat, 9 Sep 2017 - 20:05
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QUOTE (sandygarg @ Sat, 9 Sep 2017 - 21:02) *
another scan of the same letter.


QUOTE (Neil B @ Sat, 9 Sep 2017 - 21:00) *
See posts #5 and #8.


can you please READ the replies we are giving. I can't read what I need to know!

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post Sat, 9 Sep 2017 - 20:09
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QUOTE (Neil B @ Sat, 9 Sep 2017 - 20:45) *
What do the figures top right say?


The top right figure says
"
Current Outstanding Account
Newlyn Ref Balance
123456 202.00
999999 202.00
Total £404.00

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please let me know do I need to answer any other questions, which I might have missed?
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post Sat, 9 Sep 2017 - 20:17
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QUOTE (sandygarg @ Sat, 9 Sep 2017 - 21:09) *
QUOTE (Neil B @ Sat, 9 Sep 2017 - 20:45) *
What do the figures top right say?


The top right figure says
"
Current Outstanding Account
Newlyn Ref Balance
123456 202.00
999999 202.00
Total £404.00

"
please let me know do I need to answer any other questions, which I might have missed?

Ok, now it makes sense -

-- and it's very odd at the same time.

That's TWO PCNs.

So, although Newlyns are bailiffs, they are acting only as debt collectors in this, SO FAR.

Probably because of the age of the PCNs; just asked by Ealing to see if you'll pay, before escalating it.

That suggests to me that there are no live warrants for these (or perhaps warrants have expired?)
We will find out.
The debts were registered with TEC (the Court) a long while ago.
--
More coming.

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Neil B
post Sat, 9 Sep 2017 - 20:29
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So,
you first need to find out if there are live warrants for these PCNs (or ever have been).

Newlyn have been less than helpful, not giving PCN numbers -- or have they and you've blanked it out?

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sandygarg
post Sat, 9 Sep 2017 - 20:35
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QUOTE (Neil B @ Sat, 9 Sep 2017 - 21:29) *
So,
you first need to find out if there are live warrants for these PCNs (or ever have been).


how can I find that out, please advice?

QUOTE (Neil B @ Sat, 9 Sep 2017 - 21:29) *
Newlyn have been less than helpful, not giving PCN numbers -- or have they and you've blanked it out?


I only blanked out the "Newlyn Ref", Client Ref, VRM and Payment Barcode and nothing else. There is no mention of PCN unless they are same as "Newlyn Ref", which I don't know.

When you say there are 2 PCNs, does it mean I made the same mistake TWICE?
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