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The Rookie
post Wed, 31 Jan 2018 - 08:11
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/01/31...limit-britains/

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Motorists should be penalised for going just 1mph over the speed limit, Britain’s road policing chief has said as he called for the 10 per cent buffer zone to be scrapped

Speed awareness courses were being overused

However Tory MP Sir Greg Knight criticised the zero tolerance approach as he told the paper it would “make criminals of good drivers”.

For the over dramatized version
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-53...t-speeding.html

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Poor wording, I meant detected speed......


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QUOTE (cp8759 @ Wed, 31 Jan 2018 - 11:49) *
The supreme court has already made orbiter comments that the appropriate sentence for 31 in a 30 is an absolute discharge...

So they were circling around the point, then? happy.gif

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Well no, it means it wasn’t relevant to the appeal finding.


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So does the his override the 10%+2 guidelines then? Pardon my question but this story is flying around Facebook and now work.
Is it feasible for the authorities to send out NIP’s for 71 on the motorway? Also the motorway will be lit like bonfire night with all the flashing! Surely that would be a case itself due to the distraction?
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QUOTE (Churchmouse @ Sat, 3 Feb 2018 - 18:08) *
QUOTE (cp8759 @ Wed, 31 Jan 2018 - 11:49) *
The supreme court has already made orbiter comments that the appropriate sentence for 31 in a 30 is an absolute discharge...

So they were circling around the point, then? happy.gif



QUOTE (The Rookie @ Sat, 3 Feb 2018 - 18:19) *
Well no, it means it wasn’t relevant to the appeal finding.


*Whoosh*

That would be obiter. Other than the fact that there is only one "r" in "obiter", the clue was in the smiley.


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QUOTE (Katkitty @ Sun, 4 Feb 2018 - 19:04) *
So does the his override the 10%+2 guidelines then?


Some nutjob (who is unfortunately in a position of far greater power and influence than befits his mental state) has made a suggestion. Mere suggestions do not themselves over-ride guidelines, but can sometimes lead to guidelines being changed.

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Pardon my question but this story is flying around Facebook and now work.


The story flying around facebook is mainly about smart motorway cameras operating when there is no variable limit - IOW enforcing the national speed limit. There is no reason to believe that this will be done below the 'ACPO' guidelines threshold speeds. Somewhat unusually for a story doing the rounds on facebook, it seems likely that the rest of it might well be substantially true.


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Hadn’t spotted that auto correct....I do know how to spell obiter....


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Did anyone ask "Britain’s road policing chief" why it's in the public interest to prosecute people doing 71 in a 70, just because it's conveniently easy to detect, whereas all those people on their phones, texting, watching YouTube, or doing their make-up, reading a book, etc., will continue to get away with it 99% of the time, because it actually takes a bit of effort to enforce?
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Sun, 4 Feb 2018 - 19:51) *
Hadn’t spotted that auto correct....I do know how to spell obiter....


It wasn't your post though - unless you are using more than one account.


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It wasn’t lol, but I did recently post similar so assumed it was.....


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With the just over the horizon driverless car revolution, perhaps there is a sudden urgency to chase diminshing returns.
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QUOTE (Foxy01 @ Mon, 5 Feb 2018 - 19:15) *
With the just over the horizon driverless car revolution

That'll be the horizon just beyond too-cheap-to-meter electricity, economical fusion power, and peace on Earth and goodwill to all men, presumably.


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And don't forget flying cars!


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QUOTE (andy_foster @ Mon, 5 Feb 2018 - 22:38) *
And don't forget flying cars!


They would the ones chased by the flying pigs? cool.gif


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QUOTE (Foxy01 @ Mon, 5 Feb 2018 - 19:15) *
With the just over the horizon driverless car revolution, perhaps there is a sudden urgency to chase diminishing returns.

Google driverless cars are programmed to exceed the speed limit by up to 10 mph because it's safer than going more slowly than the rest of the traffic until all cars are driverless with the same limit

https://gizmodo.com/googles-autonomous-car-...se-i-1624025227

Raises a question - speed limits take account of all levels of driving ability
If all cars are under the control of a "driver" that doesn't get tired, irritable or make mistakes, should they eventually be raised ?
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QUOTE (Redivi @ Tue, 6 Feb 2018 - 10:52) *
...should they eventually be raised ?

It might be more of a question of emissions and efficiency? (Even for electric cars)

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Very true

If the speeds of cars are better matched and practices like middle lane hogging and random lane switching are prevented, it will eliminate the rolling traffic jams that create delays

A to B times will be reduced even if speed limits aren't raised
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Another Chief Constable (supported by BRAKE) that wants to do away with the + 10% + 2 mph guidelines and enforce 1 mph over the limit

Cannot help thinking that this will increase accidents if drivers are obsessed with their speedometers rather than watching the road

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-60...olice-plan.html
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Ridiculous.
My speedo is not accurate enough.
Even without going into allowable deviation, it has got a needle on a relatively small scale.
I can tell if I am doing about 30 or about 70 but no more then that.
And if stopped for 31 I would be most dischuffed.

As for comments like "15% of fatal accidents were due to speed" round spherical things !!!
Yes, an accident at speed will kill but are we talking of accidents around the speed limit where one mile an hour will make little difference or accidents where speed was seriously over?
It makes a major difference.
If I take a corner at 35mph in a 30 limit chances are I will go round it with ease.
Same cannot be said if I take the same corner at 60.

Simply sound bites for something that would be unenforceable and simply further alienate the public.
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QUOTE (Redivi @ Sun, 19 Aug 2018 - 13:49) *
Another Chief Constable (supported by BRAKE) that wants to do away with the + 10% + 2 mph guidelines and enforce 1 mph over the limit

No, it's the same twit who spouted this clickbait BS back in January.

I can only assume that West Mercia has no serious crime issues whatsoever if he has the time spare to devote himself to this kind of nonsense. Incidentally he's a Deputy Chief Constable.


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