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post Wed, 31 Jan 2018 - 08:11
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/01/31...limit-britains/

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Motorists should be penalised for going just 1mph over the speed limit, Britain’s road policing chief has said as he called for the 10 per cent buffer zone to be scrapped

Speed awareness courses were being overused

However Tory MP Sir Greg Knight criticised the zero tolerance approach as he told the paper it would “make criminals of good drivers”.

For the over dramatized version
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-53...t-speeding.html

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A whole Mph over the limit, outrageous!

The Police need more accurate equipment to detect the sneaky buggers going 30.1mph.


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I think the real story is a Tory MP saying something popular. ninja.gif


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From said article

'Let's change the message – we are proud to be law enforcers,' he said. 'I do not want the public to be surprised, I want them to be embarrassed when they get caught... They need to understand the law is set at the limit for a reason. They should not come whinging to us about getting caught.

Yes, fuel saving in 1965 when few cars could go that fast. How very relevant. Maybe we should require taxi drivers to carry a bale of hay again!

If speed limits were more relevant to motoring today then just maybe they might be respected a bit more.

How about if "smart motorways" (oxymoron I know) flexed the speed limit UP to 80 or 90 as well as down?


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Raising certain limits along with tighter enforcement would be more sensible. 'Zero tolerance' is counterproductive indeed.


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I attended a council meeting where the police opposed the introduction of a 30 mph limit at the entrance to the village but it's still one of the most common sites for their camera van
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News articles today about enforcing the limit exactly;

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/ja...it-police-chief

http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nick...1mph-wont-work/

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On the other hand my county council introduced a raft of 50mph limits even though the Police stated they had no resource to police the lower limit (that said a traffic survey had showed that on at least one of those roads most drivers were doing between 50 and 60, and probably less than 5% over the 57 threshold for prosecution anyway).


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The supreme court has already made orbiter comments that the appropriate sentence for 31 in a 30 is an absolute discharge, plus there's no home office type approved device that is accurate enough. It's a non-story.


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I fail to see how making everyone concentrate on watching their speedometer, when it would be better to concentrate on the road ahead.
What a numpty!


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QUOTE (Northern @ Wed, 31 Jan 2018 - 15:51) *
I fail to see how making everyone concentrate on watching their speedometer, when it would be better to concentrate on the road ahead.
What a numpty!

I don't always buy that excuse of having to watch the speedo (under todays enforcement regime) but I actually do agree for 1mph margins that the enforcement may be counterproductive.


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QUOTE (Redivi @ Wed, 31 Jan 2018 - 11:33) *
I attended a council meeting where the police opposed the introduction of a 30 mph limit at the entrance to the village but it's still one of the most common sites for their camera van

What's the actual speed limit there then?
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I fail to see how making everyone concentrate on watching their speedometer, when it would be better to concentrate on the road ahead.
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I don't always buy that excuse of having to watch the speedo (under todays enforcement regime) but I actually do agree for 1mph margins that the enforcement may be counterproductive.

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QUOTE (Tartarus @ Wed, 31 Jan 2018 - 17:50) *
QUOTE (Redivi @ Wed, 31 Jan 2018 - 11:33) *
I attended a council meeting where the police opposed the introduction of a 30 mph limit at the entrance to the village but it's still one of the most common sites for their camera van

What's the actual speed limit there then?

It was reduced to 30 mph
The police wanted 40 mph

Since that time the 350m dead straight stretch of road has had three fatal accidents
Two of them were cars that the police were chasing and hit the same tree


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The 40 limit outside my house was dropped to 30 with as far as I can tell no consultation, the police said they didn't support the reduction in limit but the council dropped it anyway. The police then said they wouldn't alter their approach to enforcement on it and that it wasn't a location their camera van monitored so all was well and good, the limit abiders stuck to the new 30, the force-of-habit-ers stuck to 40 and the boy racers carried on at warp factor whatever. A lot of people didn't notice the limit drop as the old 40 signs were removed and the 40 roundel on the road resurfaced so it was 30 by default due to the streetlamps. Eventually the council stuck up a tiny "new limit in force" sign on a pole half hidden behind another one.
Finally someone kicked up a stink that it wasn't being monitored so it was impossible to tell if the new limit was working so now the camera van is a weekly visitor, it parks in a layby with open fields behind it and the entrance to an industrial estate opposite, it doesn't get much trade as heading in to town you go past it and coming out of town the chances are the head of the queue is about to turn into the industrial estate so slowing down as they come into sight anyway.
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Setting the threshold at 31 in a 30 could make someone doing 30 or less liable for prosecution, as LTI 20-20s, for instance, aren't exactly known for being perfectly accurate.
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Anyone notice the inaccuracy in the DM report (31-35 being currently no action)?
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QUOTE (Ocelot @ Wed, 31 Jan 2018 - 20:02) *
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And explaining its up to 34.99 is likely to create confusion anyway!

I’d say putting 35 would be ‘less wrong’ than putting 34, although then you have to explain that someone doing 35.99 would still be classed as 35 but still be prosecuted.

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Remind me, which approved speed detection devices are rated as accurate to +/- 0.01mph?


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