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Broadsman
post Thu, 28 Jun 2018 - 12:18
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Hi all,

Friend of mine sold a 54 plate 206 a few days ago. Cash buyer, sold as seen. MOT was due and he made this known to the buyer who was happy.

Fast forward to yesterday, buyer contacts him to say the car failed MOT miserably and they want their money back, quoting consumer rights and that "We are well within our rights to bring his car back I’ve checked. I need the money back we need a car!" and quotes "if there's a problem with a second hand car, for example, it develops a problem that wouldn't be expected of a vehicle of that age/mileage....."

What I'm told, the buyer turned up and was there about 10 minutes, didn't take the car for a drive or open the bonnet. The car is now over 50 miles away so must have been driveable on the day.

The car being 14 years old with 130k on the clock, anything could go wrong with the car. As far as my friend was aware the car was in good condition at point of sale.

Where does he stand?
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notmeatloaf
post Sat, 30 Jun 2018 - 13:16
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Definitely worthwhile on a more expensive car.

However at this age a long list of MoT failures means the value of the car is effectively scrap. And absent of it being a desirable or sought after model a car of this age with no MoT is scrap value anyway as you would work on the assumption the seller would MoT it if they thought it likely to pass with more than minor repairs.

So the buyer is either very naive and stupid, or has been mislead to some degree, or has paid scrap price expecting a roadworthy car.
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post Sat, 30 Jun 2018 - 13:52
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QUOTE (notmeatloaf @ Sat, 30 Jun 2018 - 14:16) *
Definitely worthwhile on a more expensive car.

However at this age a long list of MoT failures means the value of the car is effectively scrap. And absent of it being a desirable or sought after model a car of this age with no MoT is scrap value anyway as you would work on the assumption the seller would MoT it if they thought it likely to pass with more than minor repairs.

So the buyer is either very naive and stupid, or has been mislead to some degree, or has paid scrap price expecting a roadworthy car.


Fully agree on the last part.
Buy an older car with no MOT and scrap value rules.
Conversely, an MOT can add more then a few hundred to the value as the buyer is effectively buying a car to run around in for a year and accepting it may be scrap next year.

I'm not so sure about the misled, it can come under laws that should prevent but my opinion is that if you buy a horse, it is up to you to count the number of legs.
Plenty of ways to get a second opinion as well, just ask (and offer to pay for if needed) for an MOT or an AA inspection for instance.... if the seller uhms and ahs, walk away


Not so much on a long list of MOT fails.... depends what on.
And where from, some places fail borderline bits for the business. (Being generous there, some fail good bits)
And advisories mean that the MOT guy was bored or looking to drum up business.
Sometimes they can highlight useful information but as with many things, shades of grey rather then black and white.
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Broadsman
post Sun, 1 Jul 2018 - 09:06
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Had a good chat with friend yesterday.

Apparently the buyer arrived and was given the key to have a look round. He stepped back.

Buyer opened the car "oh, it's cleaner than ours".

Started engine, walked round the other side and had a look.

Buyer opened glove compartment, friend offered that the paperwork in there was for work carried out in past couple of years. Didn't look at paperwork.

Will you accept £400? Bit of thinking and then said yes.

Paperwork completed, cash handed over, V5 completed, buyer took car away.

Now, before you start asking questions, the above is how it went according to friend. No bonnet opening, no test drive.

Friend took to the interweb and completed the V5 change online.

Fast forward to Friday and buyer claims they are going to small claims to get their money back.

I'll keep you posted. smile.gif
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DancingDad
post Sun, 1 Jul 2018 - 09:17
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400 quid for a 14year old 206 without an MOT.... guy's a mug !
Can't see small claims ordering money back though will likely to be battle of credibility with the buyer saying that your mate assured him would fly through MOT, mileage was far too high as clock had been replaced and engine was a V6
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post Sun, 1 Jul 2018 - 09:27
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Was there an ad? What did it say?

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post Sun, 1 Jul 2018 - 11:57
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What sort of time was there between buyer buying the car and MOT fail?
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notmeatloaf
post Sun, 1 Jul 2018 - 12:28
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QUOTE (Broadsman @ Sun, 1 Jul 2018 - 10:06) *
Bit of thinking and then said yes.

Bit of thinking = whack the prosecco in the fridge.

I would imagine small claims are an idle threat, especially if he tries and realises you have to pay money to initiate a claim.

This is why I always prefer eBay with cash on collection for low value car sales. You might lose a few quid but it's worth it for everything being in black and white. When I was young I used to swap bangers - basically anything light with a relatively big engine - rag them around a bit then switch to something else after a few months. Sold some total shockers via eBay for beer money, never had any comeback.
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Lodesman
post Sun, 1 Jul 2018 - 21:12
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Come home on three months leave in the early sixties, buy a banger with MOT and scrap it three months later.

Had yearly insurance that I dropped to TPF&T when away and reinstated when I came home, didn't half help to accumulate a NCB quickly for little cost.

Doubt if you could do it these days.

Easy cheap wheels.

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post Sun, 1 Jul 2018 - 21:24
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One that I see private buyers saying in their ads far too often is along the lines of 'will fly through its MOT'. As said previously, why wouldn't the last owner just MOT the damned thing though. Another is 'Will only need xxxx to get it through'- if theres anything like that in the ad, I can see why the buyer would be wound up.

On the other hand, a 14 year old 206 can be bought for well under £400. I bought a 1999 V reg diesel one a few years ago with 55k on the clock and 10/11 months MOT (and a few months tax) for £400. Would only have been 12 years old at the time. I sold it a month or so later for £550. Total heaps of junk.
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Broadsman
post Tue, 3 Jul 2018 - 18:33
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The ad.

2004, 54 Plate Peugeot 206.
122,000 miles
Silver
5 doors
Tax £30 a year
MOT due.
£500 OVNO
Good little car, has been in our family for about 8 years.
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post Tue, 3 Jul 2018 - 22:15
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QUOTE (Broadsman @ Tue, 3 Jul 2018 - 19:33) *
Good little car,

Which is just the kind of thing I wouldn't say, if you want to avoid the risk of a subsequent argument.


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post Wed, 4 Jul 2018 - 05:03
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Agreed, but it’s hardly contractually binding or actually a claim.


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