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post Fri, 15 Nov 2019 - 14:04
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Hello, I am really scared that I am going to lose my licence and possibly get done for no valid insurance due to my mental health record.

I had an episode in 2002 and did not disclose to the DVLA as it didn't occur to me and nobody told me- I think the diagnosis was psychotic episode but that wasn't even made clear at the time and thought it was a one off. I carried on driving as normal as it did not occur to me that the DVLA needed to know and come to think of it, not sure what the law was at the time.
I also had an episode in 2011 of a lesser nature but still psychotic.- did not think to report it as got well really quickly and nobody told me
Then I had a small episode in 2013 which was diagnosed as adjustment disorder-not a reportable condition.

Then I just had another episode and have been diagnosed with Psychotic disorder and as I've lost my job and house I have also been diagnosed with mixed depressive and anxiety disorder.

I know this does not sound good but I have been exceptionally well in between these periods and and driven happily unaware until 3 months ago. I am currently not driving as I am unwell at the thought of losing my licence.

I know I have to tell DVLA as I have researched this thoroughly but I am scared that when they finally get my medical records, they will see that I have not disclosed this info which means I have been driving unaware without valid insurance for all these years.

I know the processes of getting my licence back once its surrendered but fear that once they see all this undisclosed stuff about my mental health they will not only fine me but just permanently revoke my licence without further explanation on the basis that I have been driving all these years.

I honestly didn't know that I should have but after this last episode know that I need to tell them now.

Can anyone give me any advice on this as it really isn't helping my depression. the thought of being without my licence is a kick in the teeth and will make my life very hard.
I have only ever had 2 claims from insurance - one in 2011 and one in 2013 but there was no third party involved and was completely unrelated to my mental health, they were both down to bad road conditions and the insurance paid out at the time. Im between a rock and a hard place as I like to do things by the book and wil not be driving until this is sorted out and I recover.

Please can anyone help or has anyone had experience of disclosing medical conditions to the DVLA way too late down the line and what would be the likely outcome?
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QUOTE (Fredd @ Tue, 19 Nov 2019 - 20:11) *
I have no problem knowing that my height is 1.88m, if asked. smile.gif

Ok, I'm appropriately scared now. huh.gif


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post Wed, 20 Nov 2019 - 09:45
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If this was my first psychotic episode, I wouldn't be as concerned but as technically it is my 4th and I haven't previously disclosed due to being unaware of the need to do so I don't think its going to be easy for them to give my licence back
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If this was my first psychotic episode, I wouldn't be as concerned but as technically it is my 4th and I haven't previously disclosed due to being unaware of the need to do so I don't think its going to be easy for them to give my licence back

You are still not looking at it correctly.
There are two facets to your statement above.

First is that you previously didn't disclose. They cannot take your licence away for that. Could be a fine but as others have said, probably won't as it is not in the public interest.

Second is whether or not previous history impacts on your particular condition and ability to drive safely.
That is down to the medical boys
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post Wed, 20 Nov 2019 - 12:14
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What DancingDad says is correct, whether you get to keep your licence (or more precisely whether DVLA has any grounds for taking it off you) is purely a medical decision. As far as I'm aware we don't have any doctors or physiologists on this forum so we can't really say much on your prospects, fact of the matter is you must inform DVLA regardless so the best thing to do is get on with it.

As I said, my understanding is that unless your doctor or specialist has advised you not to drive, you can continue to do so until DVLA send you an answer.


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it seems like the process is easier if I surrender it even though in the end I have to send them the same paperwork. all the mental health forums with those in similar positions have had their licence permanently revoked or given yearly licences at best. It took me 9 times to pass my driving test too.
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QUOTE (innocentundisclosure @ Wed, 20 Nov 2019 - 14:04) *
it seems like the process is easier if I surrender it even though in the end I have to send them the same paperwork.

What do you mean by "surrender"? In this context surrender normally means that you've giving up your licence on medical grounds. If you surrender your licence you can't drive unless / until you re-apply and a granted a new one.

As I said, if you notify DVLA and your doctor has not told you not to drive, you can at least drive in the meantime. What has happened to others is irrelevant because the decision will be based on your specific medical history / diagnosis.


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I have recently had to declare a medical condition. The doctor told me not to drive for one week after surgery. I made the declaration online (a lot of questions but quite straight forward) I received a letter from DVLA to tell me they were investigating and that this would take up to 21 days but that I could continue to drive in the meantime. £ weeks later I recieved a letter telling me I could continue to drive but must inform of any issues that could affect my driving

Fill in the form and see what comes, you know the likely out come of not doing so


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post Wed, 20 Nov 2019 - 23:13
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I'd say the longer you wait, the greater the public interest becomes in prosecuting you for not notifying DVLA in the first place...


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post Thu, 21 Nov 2019 - 08:37
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I can either fill in the M1 medical form which starts their enquiries or just surrender it until my Pdoc says im fit. I am not driving due to being ill at the moment so I dont need to carry on driving as I really shouldnt be
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Fill in the form.
What will be will be but if you send in the licence with any comment like "I am surrendering this on medical grounds" you have just dug a big hole to fall into.
None of us can tell you what the outcome will be.
But every regular here can tell horror stories of people who have not followed process.
Stick to the process, fill in the forms, send them off.
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QUOTE (cp8759 @ Tue, 19 Nov 2019 - 21:38) *
QUOTE (Fredd @ Tue, 19 Nov 2019 - 20:11) *
As an engineer from a time when we had to be able to cope with both antediluvian and SI units I have no problem knowing that my height is 1.88m, if asked. smile.gif

Next you'll tell me not to use fluid ounces tongue.gif


Mines a 454ml

Doesn't have the same ring as "Mines a pint", does it?

The one thing that will change, especially post Brexit, is that we'll no longer be "spending a penny". No sir, we'll be Euronating.
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QUOTE (Fluffykins @ Thu, 21 Nov 2019 - 19:58) *
QUOTE (cp8759 @ Tue, 19 Nov 2019 - 21:38) *
QUOTE (Fredd @ Tue, 19 Nov 2019 - 20:11) *
As an engineer from a time when we had to be able to cope with both antediluvian and SI units I have no problem knowing that my height is 1.88m, if asked. smile.gif

Next you'll tell me not to use fluid ounces tongue.gif


Mines a 454ml

Doesn't have the same ring as "Mines a pint", does it?

The one thing that will change, especially post Brexit, is that we'll no longer be "spending a penny". No sir, we'll be Euronating.


No it doesn't. 454 is only a pint where US fluid measures are used.

So mines a 568.

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QUOTE (Slapdash @ Thu, 21 Nov 2019 - 19:49) *
QUOTE (Fluffykins @ Thu, 21 Nov 2019 - 19:58) *
QUOTE (cp8759 @ Tue, 19 Nov 2019 - 21:38) *
QUOTE (Fredd @ Tue, 19 Nov 2019 - 20:11) *
As an engineer from a time when we had to be able to cope with both antediluvian and SI units I have no problem knowing that my height is 1.88m, if asked. smile.gif

Next you'll tell me not to use fluid ounces tongue.gif


Mines a 454ml

Doesn't have the same ring as "Mines a pint", does it?

The one thing that will change, especially post Brexit, is that we'll no longer be "spending a penny". No sir, we'll be Euronating.


No it doesn't. 454 is only a pint where US fluid measures are used.

So mines a 568.

US pints, Imperial pints, short tons, long tons, US gallons, quarts, "fluid" ounces, stones, BTUs, ergs, cups, slugs, drams ... Kind of makes the point about the sanity of SI units, doesn't it?

And mine's a litre! icon_jook.gif


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QUOTE (Fredd @ Thu, 21 Nov 2019 - 22:14) *
US pints, Imperial pints, short tons, long tons, US gallons, quarts, "fluid" ounces, stones, BTUs, ergs, cups, slugs, drams ... Kind of makes the point about the sanity of SI units, doesn't it?

Hmm, no it really doesn't. 20 fl oz are a pint and 8 pints are a gallon, and we measure mileage in... miles to the gallon. No idea why we'd bring foreign units into the equation, whether they be from France or the US or anywhere else.

QUOTE (Fredd @ Thu, 21 Nov 2019 - 22:14) *
And mine's a litre! icon_jook.gif

I also don't think it's very practical to have a 1.75975 pint drink, why not just get 2 pints?


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I do personally wonder whether the move away from our traditional units towards metric units contributed to an apparent fall in standards of numeracy.

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QUOTE (Slapdash @ Sun, 24 Nov 2019 - 10:32) *
I do personally wonder whether the move away from our traditional units towards metric units contributed to an apparent fall in standards of numeracy.

Given that the most enthusiastic exponents of SI are scientists and engineers, and the most attached to archaic units seem to be grocer's and the like, I doubt it.


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QUOTE (Fredd @ Sun, 24 Nov 2019 - 11:48) *
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Was the apostrophe deliberately ironic?


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QUOTE (Fredd @ Sun, 24 Nov 2019 - 12:48) *
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I do personally wonder whether the move away from our traditional units towards metric units contributed to an apparent fall in standards of numeracy.

Given that the most enthusiastic exponents of SI are scientists and engineers, and the most attached to archaic units seem to be grocer's and the like, I doubt it.


I was thinking more of the fact that everyday units were rather more varied and knowing differences is a common thing to do daily. Eg money. Pre decimalistion money with units of 12 and 20 for change purposes.

The fact that you should get 11s 9d change when tendering £1 against 8s 3d for example.

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QUOTE (Fredd @ Sun, 24 Nov 2019 - 11:48) *
Given that the most enthusiastic exponents of SI are scientists and engineers, and the most attached to archaic units seem to be grocer's and the like, I doubt it.


I am an engineer and do use SI in most of my work, I also use inches. And I still think of fuel consumption in mpg and height in feet
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Was the apostrophe deliberately ironic?

I'm somewhat disappointed that you felt the need to ask. smile.gif


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