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Posted by: MFM Thu, 12 Jul 2018 - 14:56
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What would the sentencing guidelines be if you were pulled over and found to have a can of cs gas in the car?

Posted by: 666 Thu, 12 Jul 2018 - 15:10
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Assuming you hadn't tried to use it on the police, probably a fine and community service. https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/offensive-weapons-knives-bladed-and-pointed-articles

Posted by: DancingDad Thu, 12 Jul 2018 - 15:24
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The immediate aftermath could be a few days or so in high security while Special Branch and anti terrorist occifers question you and dismantle your possessions.
I trust you have nothing on phone or computer that you do not want the world to see.

Posted by: typefish Thu, 12 Jul 2018 - 15:32
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Well, as per https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1968/27/section/5 it's generally prohibited so I wouldn't expect anything too pleasant.

Maximum of 10 years imprisonment (plus unlimited fine), as far as I recall.

Posted by: facade Thu, 12 Jul 2018 - 17:01
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My little enclave became the firearms capital of the West Midlands a few years back.
Some schoolkid bought a CS cannister on the French trip, and let it off in the classroom at the school when they got back.
Every one of the gassed children was recorded as a firearms incident on the crime map

Posted by: 666 Thu, 12 Jul 2018 - 17:35
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What happened to the little sod who let off the CS gas?

Posted by: Steve_999 Thu, 12 Jul 2018 - 19:16
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Gazon tout I expect.

Posted by: facade Fri, 13 Jul 2018 - 07:05
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I don't know what happened. Clearly the Police were involved for it to get on the Crime map and in the papers (you'd expect the school to keep it quiet if they could), but I can't track down the articles now.
I suspect sending him to prison wouldn't have been in the Public Interest though, and it was before everybody started running around shouting "terrorist" every time they hear a loud noise.

Posted by: notmeatloaf Fri, 13 Jul 2018 - 11:23
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Would be difficult to keep it quiet, if there was CS gas in an enclosed space you would need multiple ambulances presumably with the police on tow. It's not going to be a case of giving the kids a glass of water in the corridor and back to class.

Posted by: MFM Fri, 13 Jul 2018 - 13:36
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So what we're saying is carrying a can in the car for self defense purposes wouldn't land you in too much trouble unless you actually used it?

Posted by: DancingDad Fri, 13 Jul 2018 - 13:45
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We reading the same thread?

Posted by: southpaw82 Fri, 13 Jul 2018 - 13:50
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No, it’s a section 5 firearm.

Posted by: typefish Fri, 13 Jul 2018 - 14:36
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I don't know :/

Possession of it is very illegal.

Possession of it for what essentially is offensive purposes is much more illegal.

Posted by: notmeatloaf Fri, 13 Jul 2018 - 15:04
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It's difficult to see what sort of defence it would provide unless you make a habit of driving through riots.

Posted by: cp8759 Fri, 13 Jul 2018 - 17:03
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Do you think if you were to carry a loaded gun in your car you wouldn't get yourself in too much trouble unless you actually used it? Because legally, CS spray is the same as a gun.


I disagree on that, in countries where it's legal it's routinely sold as a self-defence weapon. In the US they even have versions for women that are pink and fit nicely into a hand bag's makeup compartment.

Posted by: KH_ Fri, 13 Jul 2018 - 17:05
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https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/firearms#a27

Posted by: southpaw82 Fri, 13 Jul 2018 - 17:27
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That’s normally OC (pepper spray), isn’t it? I always found CS to be hit or miss (sometimes literally) as the effects on people vary. PAVA was a different beast and I preferred it.

Posted by: DancingDad Fri, 13 Jul 2018 - 17:48
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And in the US you can buy all sorts of handguns in pretty pink with matching accessories that are specifically sold with the female population in mind.
Legal there but not here

Posted by: notmeatloaf Fri, 13 Jul 2018 - 20:04
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In what countries is CS gas legal for civilians? I can't believe even the US would allow it for civilians but prohibit it for the military.

Posted by: southpaw82 Fri, 13 Jul 2018 - 22:09
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What?

Posted by: cp8759 Sat, 14 Jul 2018 - 10:46
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As I understand it the military can't use CS spray as it would fall foul of the chemical weapons conventions.

Posted by: southpaw82 Sat, 14 Jul 2018 - 10:59
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It’s a staple of NBC training - no issue using it on your own guys!

The analogy also doesn’t work. Expanding ammunition is banned by treaty from military use but is perfectly legal for civilians to use in the US. Just because it’s “banned to the military” doesn’t mean civilians can’t have it.

Posted by: DancingDad Sat, 14 Jul 2018 - 11:11
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Yup, the same ammo that is used to "humanely" kill animals when hunting is banned as inhumane for war.

Posted by: notmeatloaf Sat, 14 Jul 2018 - 18:15
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Prohibited by the Geneva convention in warfare. Obviously can be used in training and testing.

Posted by: The Rookie Sat, 14 Jul 2018 - 20:13
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So not prohibited at all, just not allowed to be used in warfare.

Posted by: notmeatloaf Sat, 14 Jul 2018 - 21:07
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Yes apologies for not spelling it out, I am surprised something the military cannot use in combat could be carried around in some airhead's handbag in the US.

I worked as a contractor for the British army one summer with unescorted access, I think the list of things they are prohibited from using in training would fit on a fag packet.