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Richy320
post Fri, 15 Jun 2018 - 12:56
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Outside a school in High Wycombe



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post Fri, 15 Jun 2018 - 13:11
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Why would they get a ticket when they are not even parked on the road? wink.gif



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post Fri, 15 Jun 2018 - 13:47
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QUOTE (facade @ Fri, 15 Jun 2018 - 14:11) *
Why would they get a ticket when they are not even parked on the road? wink.gif


I'd suggest they are, although not on the carriageway.
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post Fri, 15 Jun 2018 - 14:10
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I know the lines apply to the boundary of the carriageway, which will be the fence unless the grass is private land, I realised after I posted that I should have spelled it out rather than winking.

It is one of the many thousands of things that thoughtless/ignorant people do every single day expressly to make my life just a little bit more miserable; in this case by forcing me to either scramble over the roof of their car with The Dog or risk being run over by one of the many passing speeding (untaxed and unregistered no doubt ) cars with the number plates covered in black fablon left over from making the gangsta windows. (At least you can usually hear the 8" diameter 180 dB exhaust a fraction of a second before they appear rolleyes.gif )

I'm getting too old to scramble over them now, or are modern cars getting taller..........

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post Fri, 15 Jun 2018 - 14:16
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QUOTE (facade @ Fri, 15 Jun 2018 - 14:11) *
Why would they get a ticket when they are not even parked on the road? wink.gif


Are they even 'parked'? They look to me as though they've just been 'left there.'


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post Fri, 15 Jun 2018 - 15:37
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QUOTE (ManxRed @ Fri, 15 Jun 2018 - 15:16) *
QUOTE (facade @ Fri, 15 Jun 2018 - 14:11) *
Why would they get a ticket when they are not even parked on the road? wink.gif


Are they even 'parked'? They look to me as though they've just been 'left there.'



I sometimes utilise the "abandonment method" for those times when I'm in the middle of nowhere and nothing will be coming past. smile.gif
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post Fri, 15 Jun 2018 - 17:19
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Yeah, that used to attract my attention outside schools... you didn’t want my attention. One woman got herself arrested in similar circumstances when she got my attention.


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post Fri, 15 Jun 2018 - 17:31
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There is frequent abuse of the zig-zags outside the local primary, the council had a big campaign with signs etc, the irony is that the most frequant Parker (twice every school day) was the councils own bus, which being so damned big created a far bigger hazard than any car.


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post Fri, 15 Jun 2018 - 17:51
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I had a big argument a while back with some fat bloke about 100yards from my daughter's school who parked entirely on the pavement against a hedge blocking it. It's a very busy road approaching a chicane so everyone walking or cycling to school dutifully had to traipze into the road to go around.

Eventually my daughter ended up hitting his wing mirror off trying to squeeze between the queue for the chicane and this car. The wing mirror was held on by duct tape. He came out and went mental about kids always knocking off his wing mirrors. Three year old bursts into tears.

It was the closest I have been just to punching someone in the face for a long while.

Anyway apparently he subsequently called the police, who I can only assume told him he was parking like a numpty because he doesn't park there anymore. I give a hollow laugh every time I pass fat man. Sometimes the ends justify the means.

As SP said I think in the past when the police were better resources this is the sort of thing that would have been nipped in the bud well before.

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post Fri, 15 Jun 2018 - 20:27
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The yellow zig-zags apply to the carriageway only, (similar to white zig-zags near pedestrian crossings), so the motorists, whilst being very inconsiderate and rude, have actually done nothing illegal. What is needed is a single yellow line adding with times the same as the no-stopping zig-zags. This does cover the whole road including footways and verges up to the property boundary. However you'll have to nag and nag the council !
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post Fri, 15 Jun 2018 - 20:29
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QUOTE (Incandescent @ Fri, 15 Jun 2018 - 21:27) *
The yellow zig-zags apply to the carriageway only, (similar to white zig-zags near pedestrian crossings), so the motorists, whilst being very inconsiderate and rude, have actually done nothing illegal.

I can think of at least two Act of Parliament that make what they've done illegal


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post Fri, 15 Jun 2018 - 21:09
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There is a good argument that says stopping (let alone parking) is only unlawful if stopped on the markings.
And an equally good argument that this would be obstruction or dangerous parking if the Old Bill wanted to play.
I see similar twice a day with people parked inboard the crossing Zig Zags near our local school.
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post Fri, 15 Jun 2018 - 23:37
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QUOTE (Incandescent @ Fri, 15 Jun 2018 - 21:27) *
so the motorists, whilst being very inconsiderate and rude, have actually done nothing illegal.

Rubbish.


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QUOTE (DancingDad @ Fri, 15 Jun 2018 - 22:09) *
There is a good argument that says stopping (let alone parking) is only unlawful if stopped on the markings.
And an equally good argument that this would be obstruction or dangerous parking if the Old Bill wanted to play.
I see similar twice a day with people parked inboard the crossing Zig Zags near our local school.

Aside from obstruction, it is illegal to drive on the pavement for the purposes of parking on the pavement, except where the highways authority has created a designated parking place.


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post Sat, 16 Jun 2018 - 08:29
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Are there even tickets on those cars?
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post Sat, 16 Jun 2018 - 08:56
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QUOTE (Incandescent @ Fri, 15 Jun 2018 - 21:27) *
The yellow zig-zags apply to the carriageway only, (similar to white zig-zags near pedestrian crossings), so the motorists, whilst being very inconsiderate and rude, have actually done nothing illegal. What is needed is a single yellow line adding with times the same as the no-stopping zig-zags. This does cover the whole road including footways and verges up to the property boundary. However you'll have to nag and nag the council !

The carriageway is edge to edge so the zig-zag is applicable on both sides of the zig-zag marking, that includes the path.

I live on a no-through-road that has a primary school on it. Enterprising parents park both sides of 2-lanes leaving only one car width between cars for 300m. They have recently taken to parking on the edge and centre of a mini roundabout too.

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post Sat, 16 Jun 2018 - 09:19
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The "problem" as discussed on other threads, is people behave like this as there is never any consequence or enforcement.

What we need is just one day with a huge Police and Parking Enforcer presence- we could call it

"Operation Nick Everyone Who Sticks Two Fingers Up at The Law" biggrin.gif




(The only enforcement round here is a suitable interval after the van-loads of opportunists pass, the DVLA bounty hunters come and clamp anyone parked on the street who didn't realise that "zero tax" doesn't mean you don't have to tax your little diesel car.... rolleyes.gif )

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post Sat, 16 Jun 2018 - 09:29
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QUOTE (122basy @ Sat, 16 Jun 2018 - 09:56) *
QUOTE (Incandescent @ Fri, 15 Jun 2018 - 21:27) *
The yellow zig-zags apply to the carriageway only, (similar to white zig-zags near pedestrian crossings), so the motorists, whilst being very inconsiderate and rude, have actually done nothing illegal. What is needed is a single yellow line adding with times the same as the no-stopping zig-zags. This does cover the whole road including footways and verges up to the property boundary. However you'll have to nag and nag the council !

The carriageway is edge to edge so the zig-zag is applicable on both sides of the zig-zag marking, that includes the path.
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Carriageway doesn't include footway.
I think you meant to say highway.

But according to TSRGD, it is specific that the restriction only applies on the markings.
Though some adjudicators take a purposeful view that they apply across the highway, centre to edge.


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post Sat, 16 Jun 2018 - 10:09
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QUOTE (DancingDad @ Sat, 16 Jun 2018 - 10:29) *
But according to TSRGD, it is specific that the restriction only applies on the markings.
Though some adjudicators take a purposeful view that they apply across the highway, centre to edge.


I didn't know that, I thought it was the same as double yellows, centre to edge.
So they would be fine waiting as long as no part of their vehicle overhangs- would it be actual yellow paint, or an imaginary rectangle drawn around the edges of the zig-zags? and they can stop several feet from the kerb if they are not actually parked so the rule about parking close to the kerb won't apply.
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QUOTE (facade @ Sat, 16 Jun 2018 - 11:09) *
QUOTE (DancingDad @ Sat, 16 Jun 2018 - 10:29) *
But according to TSRGD, it is specific that the restriction only applies on the markings.
Though some adjudicators take a purposeful view that they apply across the highway, centre to edge.


I didn't know that, I thought it was the same as double yellows, centre to edge.
So they would be fine waiting as long as no part of their vehicle overhangs- would it be actual yellow paint, or an imaginary rectangle drawn around the edges of the zig-zags? and they can stop several feet from the kerb if they are not actually parked so the rule about parking close to the kerb won't apply.



Yup
Though interpretation on the day comes down to the adjudicator's view
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/362/schedule/7/made
Part 6 (2)
There is a marked difference between area where you should not stop (carriageway) and area where must not stop


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