Global WARMING... Pile of NONSENSE? |
Global WARMING... Pile of NONSENSE? |
Thu, 12 Feb 2009 - 10:58
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Member Group: Members Posts: 1,689 Joined: 11 Sep 2007 From: Glasgow, Scotland Member No.: 13,654 |
Okay.
The world has been 'heating up' since day dot... We've now had (read, I have now experienced) snow for almost 3 weeks, it is snowing yet again today. I stay in Glasgow, Scotland. I have NEVER experienced such weather! There is more industry and more vehicles than ever before not forgetting less forrest and more cows! The government are charging EVERYONE for heating up the planet yet it is suddenly FREEZING! Would it not be safe to say that 'Global Warming' is a pile of mince protrayed by idiots hell bent on making money??? Would it not also be safe to assume that the planet went through a warm faze, is now going through a cold faze and will shortly go through another warm one, ie nature is doing it's thing and man has NO say over it? -------------------- I am who I am... If you do not know who I am then treat me as such... Words of wisdom are easily handed down but the message conveyed is most likely lost within the mis-interpretation of what is put forth. Mortality is short lived but long lasting...
Want to hear about MY success stories??? Well, I'm still alive! Gotta count for something... I've also managed to re-produce... As for the law, well I like to think I have made head way on occasion but it's a cut throat world and no sooner have you won than you're taking part in another race....... Guilty until proven innocent... Speed doesn't kill... Poorly designed, constructed and maintained roads do... Do not try to bend the rules for that is impossible. Instead, first understand that there are NO rules... When will we learn that ‘teaching someone a lesson’ never teaches anything but resentment -- that it only inspires the recipient to greater acts of defiance. – Harry Browne |
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Thu, 12 Feb 2009 - 11:07
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Member Group: Members Posts: 12,878 Joined: 7 Jan 2008 From: London Member No.: 16,454 |
"Global Warming" is a bit misleading, hence why people are favouring the phrase "climate change" nowadays.
What Climate Change does is make weather more severe and unpredictable - very hot days and very cold days, storms, and unusual weather at times of the year when they do not usually appear. So this recent cold snap is a perfect example of how climate change is affecting us. This post has been edited by dave-o: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 - 11:07 -------------------- Dave-o 3-0 LB Waltham Forest.
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Thu, 12 Feb 2009 - 11:13
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Member Group: Members Posts: 1,689 Joined: 11 Sep 2007 From: Glasgow, Scotland Member No.: 13,654 |
LoL...
It's all swings and roundabouts though. Some times the weather doesn't change at all for weeks on end then we get some sunshine for a period and then back to rain. There doesn't seem to be much variance. The recent cold spell is not out of the ordinary but just not happened in a while. Probably due to the earths 'cycle'... 'Climate Change' is quite a good 'catch all, make money' buzzword... Bit like Dangerous Driving is to car owners... No real basis other than someones opinion and a few 'facts' that are their own... -------------------- I am who I am... If you do not know who I am then treat me as such... Words of wisdom are easily handed down but the message conveyed is most likely lost within the mis-interpretation of what is put forth. Mortality is short lived but long lasting...
Want to hear about MY success stories??? Well, I'm still alive! Gotta count for something... I've also managed to re-produce... As for the law, well I like to think I have made head way on occasion but it's a cut throat world and no sooner have you won than you're taking part in another race....... Guilty until proven innocent... Speed doesn't kill... Poorly designed, constructed and maintained roads do... Do not try to bend the rules for that is impossible. Instead, first understand that there are NO rules... When will we learn that ‘teaching someone a lesson’ never teaches anything but resentment -- that it only inspires the recipient to greater acts of defiance. – Harry Browne |
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Thu, 12 Feb 2009 - 11:19
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Member Group: Members Posts: 2,749 Joined: 11 Oct 2007 From: hull Member No.: 14,394 |
Okay. The world has been 'heating up' since day dot... We've now had (read, I have now experienced) snow for almost 3 weeks, it is snowing yet again today. I stay in Glasgow, Scotland. I have NEVER experienced such weather! There is more industry and more vehicles than ever before not forgetting less forrest and more cows! The government are charging EVERYONE for heating up the planet yet it is suddenly FREEZING! Would it not be safe to say that 'Global Warming' is a pile of mince protrayed by idiots hell bent on making money??? Would it not also be safe to assume that the planet went through a warm faze, is now going through a cold faze and will shortly go through another warm one, ie nature is doing it's thing and man has NO say over it? As someone with a few more years, I can remember it much worse than this. Generally I would say the weather is warmer and less predictable. -------------------- ARSE DRINK FECK........
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Thu, 12 Feb 2009 - 11:27
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"Climate Change" one of those very misleading names (Like the "Federal Reserve" bank).
The climate is supposed to change - that is if we want it to support life. If the climate was stable i.e. constant, in equilibrium, at minimum entropy, we would all be dead. Its a dynamic system. GW/CC has had its head handed to it many times but there are many many billions of dollars at stake, creatiion of markets and so the need for debt and hence money creation is enabled. Now that paper based currencies of the western world have been shown to be what they are are (i.e. all puff and nonsense, paper has no inherent value) expect even more emphasis on the creation of markets and debt while the banks keep restricting the supply of money so they can can hoover up lots of property. -------------------- Which facts in any situation or problem are “essential” and what makes them “essential”? If the “essential” facts are said to depend on the principles involved, then the whole business, all too obviously, goes right around in a circle. In the light of one principle or set of principles, one bunch of facts will be the “essential” ones; in the light of another principle or set of principles, a different bunch of facts will be “essential.” In order to settle on the right facts you first have to pick your principles, although the whole point of finding the facts was to indicate which principles apply.
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Thu, 12 Feb 2009 - 11:42
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Member Group: Members Posts: 12,878 Joined: 7 Jan 2008 From: London Member No.: 16,454 |
The climate is supposed to change - that is if we want it to support life. If the climate was stable i.e. constant, in equilibrium, at minimum entropy, we would all be dead. Its a dynamic system. The expression "climate change" that we are talking about obviously refers to unnatural changes in climate. I don't think too many people would be worried about that fact that we will probably have another ice age in about 160 million years. But the fact that Norfolk will be underwater by 2100 at the current rate might be a little closer to the bone. This post has been edited by dave-o: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 - 11:42 -------------------- Dave-o 3-0 LB Waltham Forest.
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Thu, 12 Feb 2009 - 12:01
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But the fact that Norfolk will be underwater by 2100 at the current rate might be a little closer to the bone. Having been to Norwich Magistrates' Court where my colleague was stitched up, I'd say 2100 is about 95 years too late ... -------------------- We'll fight them on the roads, we'll fight them in the courts, and we shall never, ever, surrender
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Thu, 12 Feb 2009 - 12:04
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Member Group: Members Posts: 12,878 Joined: 7 Jan 2008 From: London Member No.: 16,454 |
Yes, i can't say i'll be too sorry to see it go. Every cloud, so they say.
-------------------- Dave-o 3-0 LB Waltham Forest.
Goalscorers: B. Alighting 08', G. Fettered 34', I. Markings 42' Dave-o 2-0 LB Islington Goalscorers: V. Locus 82', I. Dates, 87' Dave-o 1-0 LB Redbridge Goalscorer: I. Markings 79' Dave-o 1-0 LB sCamden Goalscorer: I. Dates, 86' Dave-o 1-0 LB Hammersmith & Fulham Goalscorer: T. Signage, 19' |
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Thu, 12 Feb 2009 - 12:16
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Member Group: Members Posts: 28,931 Joined: 29 Nov 2005 Member No.: 4,323 |
Maldives still there - wouldn't worry about Norfolk too much.
And Tasmania still waiting to get back to sea levels of the 1840s (as documented by Cook). Wouldn't worry about the ice age in millions of years, when Yellowstone blows... (and its overdue...) -------------------- Which facts in any situation or problem are “essential” and what makes them “essential”? If the “essential” facts are said to depend on the principles involved, then the whole business, all too obviously, goes right around in a circle. In the light of one principle or set of principles, one bunch of facts will be the “essential” ones; in the light of another principle or set of principles, a different bunch of facts will be “essential.” In order to settle on the right facts you first have to pick your principles, although the whole point of finding the facts was to indicate which principles apply.
Note that I am not legally qualified and any and all statements made are "Reserved". Liability for application lies with the reader. |
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Thu, 12 Feb 2009 - 12:38
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Just look at the history of the world and how we were once a desert and then the sea touched derbyshire. The world probably has a cycle over 1000s of years just look how the dinosaurs were wiped out and I presume in time the human race will go the same way and eventaully be replaced by something else.
Global warming / Climate change will happen anyway no matter what we do to try and stop it. The government love these stuidies so they can now tell us what we can and cant put in our bins and charge us extra for our cars etc. Its all a con and even if its not i will be a long time dead before it matters so dont care. -------------------- |
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Thu, 12 Feb 2009 - 12:57
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Global warming / Climate change will happen anyway no matter what we do to try and stop it. Of course, but this is artificial climate change, not the type that happens naturally over millions of years The government love these stuidies so they can now tell us what we can and cant put in our bins and charge us extra for our cars etc. Its all a con and even if its not i will be a long time dead before it matters so dont care. Yes the government will always spin things to get what they want. But that doesn't mean that the issue isn't real. We will be seeing the effects in our lifetimes. We already are. One-off blindingly hot days in September? Rain throughout June? The weather is not naturally like this. On a global scale, we have seen far more weather-related natural disasters in recent years than is normal. Saying that CC is a myth is just burying your head in the sand. -------------------- Dave-o 3-0 LB Waltham Forest.
Goalscorers: B. Alighting 08', G. Fettered 34', I. Markings 42' Dave-o 2-0 LB Islington Goalscorers: V. Locus 82', I. Dates, 87' Dave-o 1-0 LB Redbridge Goalscorer: I. Markings 79' Dave-o 1-0 LB sCamden Goalscorer: I. Dates, 86' Dave-o 1-0 LB Hammersmith & Fulham Goalscorer: T. Signage, 19' |
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Thu, 12 Feb 2009 - 13:06
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Member Group: Members Posts: 56,261 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
Funny how we are being lambasted for putting the 'carbon' back into the atmosphere that was only there a few hundered thousand years ago before it was absorbed by plant matter and became coal, or was eaten by fish and became oil, isn't that actually just recycling?
A lot of coal deposits were acused by Meteor strikes and mass dying of forests, so you could call putting the carbon back conservation. Its all in your interpretation of the alleged facts! One-off blindingly hot days in September? Rain throughout June? The weather is not naturally like this. Well we had them whan I was young, when all the 'learned' scientists were predicting the next ice age in 100 years time, and everybody 'knew' it was true but for a handful of cynics who were accused of having their heads in the sand - sound familiar? Simon This post has been edited by The Rookie: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 - 13:09 -------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
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Thu, 12 Feb 2009 - 13:29
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Of course, but this is artificial climate change, not the type that happens naturally over millions of years How do you know its artificial? because you are told so? whos to say it would not be doing exactly the same thing if there was no human life on the planet. Yes the government will always spin things to get what they want. But that doesn't mean that the issue isn't real. We will be seeing the effects in our lifetimes. We already are. One-off blindingly hot days in September? Rain throughout June? The weather is not naturally like this. On a global scale, we have seen far more weather-related natural disasters in recent years than is normal. Saying that CC is a myth is just burying your head in the sand. When I was a kid I remember all sorts of random weather. I think a good explanation of the weather changing could be the axis of the earth could be changing ever so slightly so climate alters during different seasons. Who is to say that the weather woulld not occur like it does without us here? We have had many natural disaters over the years and although we have had a few the last few years we also had similar stuff going on many years ago. Maybe they were caused by all the emissions given off by the horse and carts. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_disaster I dont think climate change is a myth but i dont think what us humans do is affecting it a great deal and would be happening now no matter what. This post has been edited by James-76: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 - 13:32 -------------------- |
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Thu, 12 Feb 2009 - 13:58
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Member Group: Members Posts: 12,878 Joined: 7 Jan 2008 From: London Member No.: 16,454 |
How do you know its artificial? because you are told so? whos to say it would not be doing exactly the same thing if there was no human life on the planet. The ozone hole is a scientifically researched and accepted fact. The polar meltdown is a scientifically researched and accepted fact. It's clear that this is not a natural thing because climate change simply does not happen so quickly by natural means. And yes i'm sure you remember some unusual weather from when you were a child. So do i! But not in such a small timescale. The met office has no idea what it's going to do from one moment to the next. OK they were never 100% accurate but now it's becoming a complete lottery. -------------------- Dave-o 3-0 LB Waltham Forest.
Goalscorers: B. Alighting 08', G. Fettered 34', I. Markings 42' Dave-o 2-0 LB Islington Goalscorers: V. Locus 82', I. Dates, 87' Dave-o 1-0 LB Redbridge Goalscorer: I. Markings 79' Dave-o 1-0 LB sCamden Goalscorer: I. Dates, 86' Dave-o 1-0 LB Hammersmith & Fulham Goalscorer: T. Signage, 19' |
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Thu, 12 Feb 2009 - 14:01
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polar meltdown ? ice in antartica is increasing !
this is a religous debate, some believe some don't. -------------------- Which facts in any situation or problem are “essential” and what makes them “essential”? If the “essential” facts are said to depend on the principles involved, then the whole business, all too obviously, goes right around in a circle. In the light of one principle or set of principles, one bunch of facts will be the “essential” ones; in the light of another principle or set of principles, a different bunch of facts will be “essential.” In order to settle on the right facts you first have to pick your principles, although the whole point of finding the facts was to indicate which principles apply.
Note that I am not legally qualified and any and all statements made are "Reserved". Liability for application lies with the reader. |
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Thu, 12 Feb 2009 - 14:46
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I (just) remember the winter of '63, it snowed on boxing day & the temp stayed pretty much below freezing for 12 weeks, as a 10 year old, I dug tunnels in the piled up snow in my road & played in them for weeks. The winter of '47 was even worse.
The GW/CC bandwagon is just that, this eras must believe in theory. I have lived through the following "catastrophes" that would kill me:- The (Russian) nuclear holocaust Aids Bird (and other) flu Acid rain Ozone depletion Climate change Global warming A labour government Driving (2 million miles in 33 years) Unhealthy food And probably others. Me & mine are still here, it is just so much scare scaremongering, as already mentioned, Yellowstone park erupting is overdue by a few thousand years & is probably a bigger threat than anything else. All so much money making, jobs for the boys (& girls), a massive industry has been created & to be honest, if someone was paying me a fancy salary to me to "prove" GW/CC to be true, I certainly would not rock the boat for fear of job loss Imagine if someone absolutely proved that climate change was natural & no matter what we did (or did not) do, sweet FA would change, how many people would be out of (highly paid) work?. Of course, if that did happen, a new bandwagon would develop overnight to ensure them employment This post has been edited by Transit man: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 - 14:48 -------------------- Now driving a Mercedes Sprinter, the Transit died of too much work.
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Thu, 12 Feb 2009 - 16:59
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2 points:
1. There's no evidence (or even a scientific therory) that reducing our CO2 output will stop the changes. 2. Natures moto (its Charles Darwins birthday today so quiet appropriate): Adapt or Die. |
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Thu, 12 Feb 2009 - 18:08
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Quite a response...
-------------------- I am who I am... If you do not know who I am then treat me as such... Words of wisdom are easily handed down but the message conveyed is most likely lost within the mis-interpretation of what is put forth. Mortality is short lived but long lasting...
Want to hear about MY success stories??? Well, I'm still alive! Gotta count for something... I've also managed to re-produce... As for the law, well I like to think I have made head way on occasion but it's a cut throat world and no sooner have you won than you're taking part in another race....... Guilty until proven innocent... Speed doesn't kill... Poorly designed, constructed and maintained roads do... Do not try to bend the rules for that is impossible. Instead, first understand that there are NO rules... When will we learn that ‘teaching someone a lesson’ never teaches anything but resentment -- that it only inspires the recipient to greater acts of defiance. – Harry Browne |
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Thu, 12 Feb 2009 - 19:24
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But the fact that Norfolk will be underwater by 2100 at the current rate might be a little closer to the bone. Having been to Norwich Magistrates' Court where my colleague was stitched up, I'd say 2100 is about 95 years too late ... Better still she will be sunk http://www.bbc.co.uk/norfolk/content/artic...2_feature.shtml Come on lets be havin Ya.................. -------------------- When Stephen Hawking guest starred on the Star Trek: The Next Generation episode "Descent", he was taken on a guided tour of the set. Pausing in front of the warp core set piece, he remarked, "I'm working on that".
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Thu, 12 Feb 2009 - 22:45
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Member Group: Members Posts: 401 Joined: 1 Dec 2008 From: Londinium Member No.: 24,506 |
Manmade global warming is anything but nonsense.
The errors and ignorance demonstrated in many of the comments to this topic are too numerous for me to correct. The main ones are: * failure to appreciate the difference between "climate" and "weather" * failure to appreciate the valuelessness of limited sample extrapolation from flawed or subjective personal experiences * failure to appreciate that while greater changes have taken place many times in the past, these were thousands of times slower * failure to appreciate that while greater changes have taken place many times in the past, we humans weren't around to suffer the consequences * failure to appreciate that even if there's only a 1% chance of irreversible damage, it must be acted upon immediately - we have only one home planet, and we can't play Russian Roulette with it * failure to appreciate that MMGW has been misused by lots of governments - and ours is probably the worst offender - to justify outrageous tax & other measures is irrelevant, for exactly the same reason that the misuse by the USA of the 9/11 attack to justify illegal wars and thefts does not mean the 9/11 genocide did not itself happen * failure to appreciate that the scientific data is beyond any debate, except by cranks, illiterates and those with axes to grind. 2000+ leading scientists at the key international conferences unanimously believe in MMGW. That a few crackpot scientists allegedly do not - and the media irresponsibly gives them disproportionate coverage - is irrelevant. Perhaps the publicity motivates them. A couple of loony science Nobel prize winners believe in a Christian zombie deity. Doesn't make such an absurdity real, thank Beelzebub, or Allah, as you prefer. Thankfully, now that Mr Obama has won, and the LabouT troglodytes are facing oblivion, it is scientifically-literate people like myself who will make the key decisions, and these will be based on science, and not upon tosh. The only question is whether or not it is too late to change things before our little, fragile home planet is destroyed. That these are the stakes is scarey. End of. This post has been edited by slowerdriver: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 - 22:46 -------------------- "Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes?" - Juvenal, Satires VI/347, c125-130 A.D. |
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