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I'll be following Colin Furze's guide to installing my own Nuclear shelter.

Trump is completely unsuited to the role, HRC is pretty deplorable but while the lesser of two evils is still evil I'd take her over that moronic sociopath any day.

What an irony that the two parties picked (based on the peculiarities of their membership base and the primary system) the two least electable candidates possible.

Montgomery Brewster had it right!

Right now HRC has a narrow lead overall but her advantage in the 10 crucial swings states is holding, and the Mormon vote in Ohio could kill Trumps chances by giving their EC votes to McMullin leaving him to have to take more swing states to make up for that loss.

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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Tue, 1 Nov 2016 - 16:25) *
I'll be following Colin Furze's guide to installing my own Nuclear shelter.

Trump is completely unsuited to the role, HRC is pretty deplorable but while the lesser of two evils is still evil I'd take her over that moronic sociopath any day.

What an irony that the two parties picked (based on the peculiarities of their membership base and the primary system) the two least electable candidates possible.

Montgomery Brewster had it right!


I think Trump will make a great president. What has he ever done wrong apart from call people names? That psycho Clinton is the biggest threat to US and international security and should never be allowed anywhere near the white house.
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To add some balance - GO TRUMP.
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QUOTE (MFM @ Tue, 1 Nov 2016 - 17:32) *
QUOTE (The Rookie @ Tue, 1 Nov 2016 - 16:25) *
I'll be following Colin Furze's guide to installing my own Nuclear shelter.

Trump is completely unsuited to the role, HRC is pretty deplorable but while the lesser of two evils is still evil I'd take her over that moronic sociopath any day.

What an irony that the two parties picked (based on the peculiarities of their membership base and the primary system) the two least electable candidates possible.

Montgomery Brewster had it right!


I think Trump will make a great president. What has he ever done wrong apart from call people names? That psycho Clinton is the biggest threat to US and international security and should never be allowed anywhere near the white house.

Hmm, see if you can find C4s documentary "the mad world of Donald Trump" he's a sociopath who can't brook any contradiction or disagreement , he's been asking the security advisors why they can't use Nuclear weapons, he has no real policies other than getting Mexico to build that wall (which won't happen) and he's promised to commit war crimes if elected. He's also an incompetent businessman.


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I compare Trump voters to Brexit voters.

Mentally challenged, selfish and easily led.
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post Tue, 1 Nov 2016 - 20:57
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QUOTE (glasgow_bhoy @ Tue, 1 Nov 2016 - 21:47) *
I compare Trump voters to Brexit voters.

Mentally challenged, selfish and easily led.


Dont forget racist!

Being mentally challenged maybe you could enlighten us whats so great about being in the EU?

Maybe im missing it.

Doctors
hospitals
Schools
Housing
Jobs

Are all pretty much like the roads,crumbling and full of holes.
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post Tue, 1 Nov 2016 - 20:58
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QUOTE (glasgow_bhoy @ Tue, 1 Nov 2016 - 20:47) *
I compare Trump voters to Brexit voters.

Mentally challenged, selfish and easily led.

Ah, the arrogance of youth. So much certainty so little experience. What a shame so few could be bothered to vote.
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post Tue, 1 Nov 2016 - 21:13
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QUOTE (fedup2 @ Tue, 1 Nov 2016 - 20:57) *
QUOTE (glasgow_bhoy @ Tue, 1 Nov 2016 - 21:47) *
I compare Trump voters to Brexit voters.

Mentally challenged, selfish and easily led.


Dont forget racist!

Being mentally challenged maybe you could enlighten us whats so great about being in the EU?

Maybe im missing it.

Doctors
hospitals
Schools
Housing
Jobs

Are all pretty much like the roads,crumbling and full of holes.


I don't think its great being in the EU. But its worse being out of it.

Don't know if you've been on holiday recently, but I'm glad I bought a substantial number of Euro's at the start of the year!

We've got prices shooting up everywhere- the supermarkets and fuel being the most obvious.

Maybe I'm over sensitive, but I had a mortgage in principle agreed months before Brexit. It ended up expiring, and despite the only difference being a higher salary than I was on for the first application, the amount I was offered when I refreshed it in September was lower- something my broker said he'd noticed with a few applications. Can't directly attribute that one though.

Jobs- I'm confused about what you think Brexit has done for jobs. There are firms have been laying people off, not taking them on.

I wasn't going to bring up racism, but look at the number of racially motivated crimes reported.

Construction- we've had plenty from the EU to help fund major projects and regenerations.

Doctors and hospitals- how many doctors in your local hospital come from EU countries? The voters of this country seem to want to make it harder for EU citizens to come here. So how has Brexit helped the EU? Remember- Farage admitted his big NHS bus advert was a mistake/bare faced lie.

Education- don't you live in a country where university students pay massive tuition fees, where massive numbers of new school teachers can't hack it for more than 5 years? I don't see what being out of the EU is doing for education.

The only things which would have been good about Brexit would have been getting out of some of the crazy agreements we have (for instance emissions rules and fisheries quotas) but we're going to end up being stuck with most of them if we want any chance of continued free trade!

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QUOTE (glasgow_bhoy @ Tue, 1 Nov 2016 - 20:47) *
I compare Trump voters to Brexit voters.

Mentally challenged, selfish and easily led.

Ah, the arrogance of youth. So much certainty so little experience. What a shame so few could be bothered to vote.

Up here voting amongst the younger generations is widespread- it became fashionable during the Scottish referendum, although most people I know did it anyway. But we voted to stay part of the EU up here (although I accept the decision as we were voting as part of the UK)

Perhaps its an arrogant approach, but everyone is entitled to vote for who they want to. And everyone is entitled to judge the poor choices others make.
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post Tue, 1 Nov 2016 - 21:37
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The sweaty socks are just pished that they lost their independence referendum, but we won ours. And they failed to learn the obvious lesson - if they want independence, they should let the English vote.


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whenever the media ramp up hysteria the media sheep follow. Look at what they did to BMW drivers! So it doesnt come as a suprise that supposed reported numbers of racism went up.
I remember the case just after the vote where a laminated card with polish racism remark was supposedly popped through a letter box. Being the sceptic are racists now that creative? I would have thought there is nothing better than laminate to get fingerprints or dna from. I remember no real police investigation.
Alot of things were made up in the media before during and after the vote.The mentally challenged believed it and still do.Im still waiting for WW3.

As for food and fuel,of course they will use the excuse to put prices up,the ones of us that arnt mentally challenged saw it coming.Keep an eye on profit amounts from the same companys.My guess is they go up,not down.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/a...fy-brexit-fears

"Pro-Brexit campaigners have taken these figures as a sign that the warnings of an economic collapse after a no vote were alarmist and misleading."

As for doctors from other countrys,im sick of them.If they cant understand what patients say,or what patients say to them,then they leave them in a dangerous position.I can assure you its pretty dire,but what would you know,just being brand new? I see nothing wrong with trainingg people here after all were the fifth richest economy arnt we? Others seem to manage! we seem to be much better at handing out wages top ups instead of using the money to good use.

Why do you think we need to pay into a pot,for someone else to allocate,what bit we get back is spent on? Whats wrong with managing our own finances? Do you not think were capable?
Its like giving your ex your credit card with no control over spending,yet being forced to pay the bill.

If You want further education then YOU should pay for it.Its a lifestyle choice just as any other trainingg programmes are.
Maybe you think i should get ADI training for free too? Maybe a Transport managers CPC? Whats that to do with the EU?

What i notice about pro eu folk is they have no vision.I have and i can tell you the EU is bad enough as it is,in ten years the prospect is dam right scary.Had the vote gone the otherway,then things would have accelerated at a rapid rate before long,we would have been told what sort of shoes to wear on sundays by Germans.NO THANKYOU!!

Its no good guessing what the outcome is going to be,nobody knows so stop being all negative and high and mighty and try and give the BB c a miss,You will get old before your time!

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QUOTE (fedup2 @ Tue, 1 Nov 2016 - 21:38) *
What i notice about pro eu folk is they have no vision.


Not always true. For example, the Kinnocks are pro-EU and they have vision - pound signs and millions of them.

Most pro-EU campaigners are simply anti-democratic. The EU is generally significantly more socialist than our own elected government. The pro-EU campaigners want policies imposed on us that our own elected government would not otherwise implement. Our democracy is far from perfect, but it is far better than the bureaucracy of the EU.


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QUOTE (sgtdixie @ Tue, 1 Nov 2016 - 21:58) *
QUOTE (glasgow_bhoy @ Tue, 1 Nov 2016 - 20:47) *
I compare Trump voters to Brexit voters.

Mentally challenged, selfish and easily led.

Ah, the arrogance of youth. So much certainty so little experience. What a shame so few could be bothered to vote.

Without getting into "sides", this is the most disappointing aspect. My daughter was furious as none of her mates voted as they "could not be bothered going to the station". As far as she knows only three out of circle of about fifty students voted.
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post Tue, 1 Nov 2016 - 22:01
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Reasons not to vote for trump.

1) Unstable thin-skinned bully as Commander in Chief and in charge of nuclear weapons

What, how could anyone need more? Well OK then, loads of reasons why he’d be devastating for the world as a whole:

2) Would surrender to Putin on anything and everything, from Ukraine to invasion of the Balts to sanctions, and has continually attacked Nato and America’s Nato allies

3) He would overturn the Paris climate treaty and actively try to wreck the US renewables industry while giving fossil fuel industries anything they want

4) Happy for nuclear proliferation to Saudi etc

5) Eager to start conflict with Iran, make war on Middle East countries to “take all their oil”, has his own childish fantasies about crushing ISIS while ignoring the advice of generals

6) Wants soldiers to commit war crimes, murder terrorists and their families, and torture non-terrorists because they probably deserve it anyway

7) Would wreck the US economy, and with it damage the rest of the world economy, causing poverty and death for unknown numbers in the US and elsewhere. Suggested the US should default on its debt.

8. Deportation force to round up immigrants, put them in custody and deport them

9) Direct racist who seeks support from white supremacists and the KKK, wants to discriminate against African Americans and Hispanic Americans, including new police powers, stop and frisk and capital punishment for alleged rapists if they are black, even if later found innocent. Plus a delightful sprinkling of anti-Semitism

10) Direct Islamophobe who wants special surveillance and registers of Muslims, plus random nonsense about banning Muslims entering the country

11) A proven sexist who wants to discriminate against women in the workplace, particularly pregnant women

12) Wants “power of veto” over the media, loosening of libel laws, generally attacks free speech

13) Has called for special prosecutor to override law and the FBI and lock up his political opponent, and generally is obsessed with revenge and wants to use state institutions to pursue personal vendettas. Admires dictators and loves to threaten/encourage violence at his rallies, including hinting that gun nuts should assassinate his opponent. Suggested American civilians could be tried by military commissions at Guantanamo. Wants his thugs to “monitor” polling booths in “certain communities” to ensure “they” don’t rig the election

14) Wants to appoint extreme right wingers to the Supreme Court, including going along with Republican anti-abortion policies

15) Continual liar who is addicted to conspiracy theories, making him dangerously unpredictable

His sexual assaults on women, and his boasting about sexually assaulting women, doesn’t even make the top 15. That’s just damage to individuals, rather active damage to the entire world and destruction of the USA.

Further reasons that didn’t make the top 15 involving the damage he has done to individuals:

- Sexually assaults women
- Voyeurism against young women, including under 18s
- Attacked the Muslim parents of a dead solider
- Personally insults distinguished public servants, generals, etc
- Mocks veterans and POWs, mocks the disabled, mocks women for their personal appearance, uses racist insults, uses belittling insults

Reasons that show he’s nearer a fraudster than a successful businessman:

- Cheats on his taxes
- Uses his “charitable” foundation for personal benefit and lies about his charity donations
- Business failures and bankruptcies
- Lies about how much money he’s got and how much his father gave him
- Trump University fraud
- Cheats small businesses out of the money he owes them
- Actively sought illegal immigrants to employ
- Ties to mafia
- Lied about offering child care to his employees
- Financial links to Russia, Colonel Gadhafi, China

Reasons to do with him being a pathetic individual who’s basically a nasty little ****:

- Obsession with TV ratings, how much applause his speech gets, size of rallies, uses fake polls to claim he’s winning or won debates
- Boasted during a debate about the size of his *****
- Lied about 9/11 and boasted it made his building the tallest
- Congratulated himself over terrorist attacks and again after an African American was murdered
- False boasts about predicting Brexit
- Dodged the draft
- Used pseudonyms to pretend to be his own press spokesman
- When introducing his own running mate, just talked about himself
- Called avoiding STDs his own personal Vietnam
- Lied about opposing Iraq war
- Family and close supporters retweet and spread extreme rightwing memes, lies and abuse, while Trump himself refuses to disown and occasionally join in
- Chose as his first campaign chief someone who got arrested for grabbing a reporter, second had close links to Russia and Ukraine dictator, third makes anti-Semitic comments and has been accused of domestic abuse
- Talks bollocks about a fantasy wall that Mexico will pay for
- Talks bollocks about ISIS and how scary it is
- Urged hacking by Russia of Democrats emails
- Probably fixed his Florida Trump University lawsuit by bribing the state AG

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However, there is one compelling reason to vote for Trump.


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QUOTE (captain swoop @ Tue, 1 Nov 2016 - 22:01) *
Reasons not to vote for trump.

1) Unstable thin-skinned bully as Commander in Chief and in charge of nuclear weapons

What, how could anyone need more? Well OK then, loads of reasons why he’d be devastating for the world as a whole:

2) Would surrender to Putin on anything and everything, from Ukraine to invasion of the Balts to sanctions, and has continually attacked Nato and America’s Nato allies

3) He would overturn the Paris climate treaty and actively try to wreck the US renewables industry while giving fossil fuel industries anything they want

4) Happy for nuclear proliferation to Saudi etc

5) Eager to start conflict with Iran, make war on Middle East countries to “take all their oil”, has his own childish fantasies about crushing ISIS while ignoring the advice of generals

6) Wants soldiers to commit war crimes, murder terrorists and their families, and torture non-terrorists because they probably deserve it anyway

7) Would wreck the US economy, and with it damage the rest of the world economy, causing poverty and death for unknown numbers in the US and elsewhere. Suggested the US should default on its debt.

8. Deportation force to round up immigrants, put them in custody and deport them

9) Direct racist who seeks support from white supremacists and the KKK, wants to discriminate against African Americans and Hispanic Americans, including new police powers, stop and frisk and capital punishment for alleged rapists if they are black, even if later found innocent. Plus a delightful sprinkling of anti-Semitism

10) Direct Islamophobe who wants special surveillance and registers of Muslims, plus random nonsense about banning Muslims entering the country

11) A proven sexist who wants to discriminate against women in the workplace, particularly pregnant women

12) Wants “power of veto” over the media, loosening of libel laws, generally attacks free speech

13) Has called for special prosecutor to override law and the FBI and lock up his political opponent, and generally is obsessed with revenge and wants to use state institutions to pursue personal vendettas. Admires dictators and loves to threaten/encourage violence at his rallies, including hinting that gun nuts should assassinate his opponent. Suggested American civilians could be tried by military commissions at Guantanamo. Wants his thugs to “monitor” polling booths in “certain communities” to ensure “they” don’t rig the election

14) Wants to appoint extreme right wingers to the Supreme Court, including going along with Republican anti-abortion policies

15) Continual liar who is addicted to conspiracy theories, making him dangerously unpredictable

His sexual assaults on women, and his boasting about sexually assaulting women, doesn’t even make the top 15. That’s just damage to individuals, rather active damage to the entire world and destruction of the USA.

Further reasons that didn’t make the top 15 involving the damage he has done to individuals:

- Sexually assaults women
- Voyeurism against young women, including under 18s
- Attacked the Muslim parents of a dead solider
- Personally insults distinguished public servants, generals, etc
- Mocks veterans and POWs, mocks the disabled, mocks women for their personal appearance, uses racist insults, uses belittling insults

Reasons that show he’s nearer a fraudster than a successful businessman:

- Cheats on his taxes
- Uses his “charitable” foundation for personal benefit and lies about his charity donations
- Business failures and bankruptcies
- Lies about how much money he’s got and how much his father gave him
- Trump University fraud
- Cheats small businesses out of the money he owes them
- Actively sought illegal immigrants to employ
- Ties to mafia
- Lied about offering child care to his employees
- Financial links to Russia, Colonel Gadhafi, China

Reasons to do with him being a pathetic individual who’s basically a nasty little ****:

- Obsession with TV ratings, how much applause his speech gets, size of rallies, uses fake polls to claim he’s winning or won debates
- Boasted during a debate about the size of his *****
- Lied about 9/11 and boasted it made his building the tallest
- Congratulated himself over terrorist attacks and again after an African American was murdered
- False boasts about predicting Brexit
- Dodged the draft
- Used pseudonyms to pretend to be his own press spokesman
- When introducing his own running mate, just talked about himself
- Called avoiding STDs his own personal Vietnam
- Lied about opposing Iraq war
- Family and close supporters retweet and spread extreme rightwing memes, lies and abuse, while Trump himself refuses to disown and occasionally join in
- Chose as his first campaign chief someone who got arrested for grabbing a reporter, second had close links to Russia and Ukraine dictator, third makes anti-Semitic comments and has been accused of domestic abuse
- Talks bollocks about a fantasy wall that Mexico will pay for
- Talks bollocks about ISIS and how scary it is
- Urged hacking by Russia of Democrats emails
- Probably fixed his Florida Trump University lawsuit by bribing the state AG


So whats the bad points then?

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The problem that politicians in both this country and the US are facing, is the the general population are sick to the back teeth of the corruption and pedling of power to the highest bidder.

The US presidency has always been bought by lobbyist, pressure groups and the big industrials who contribute millions to campaigns and expect preferential treatment in return.

Trump, and his primarily self funded campaign is offering a way for the US average man in the street to finally give the establishment the kicking they probably deserve. The Clinton smear campaign if Trump is having the same effect as Project Fear did. People question where all these stories are coming from, and how they are conveniently appearing in the last few weeks before the vote. Of course, Clinton's own goal of having the FBI investigating her further, despite initial protection by the AG has also helped. Do you really want to elect somebody who may be impeached before even taking office.

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QUOTE (captain swoop @ Tue, 1 Nov 2016 - 22:01) *
1) Unstable thin-skinned bully as Commander in Chief and in charge of nuclear weapons


Which, absent a confirmed nuclear attack on the US he can't order the use of alone.

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6) Wants soldiers to commit war crimes, murder terrorists and their families, and torture non-terrorists because they probably deserve it anyway


I doubt US troops will follow an unlawful order.

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8. Deportation force to round up immigrants, put them in custody and deport them


A bit like Immigration and Customs Enforcement?

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12) Wants “power of veto” over the media, loosening of libel laws, generally attacks free speech


The First Amendment might be a bit of a speed bump.

Just a few caveats there.

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