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LIXA
post Tue, 19 Jun 2018 - 05:08
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https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.7320522,0...3312!8i6656

Hi,

I sometimes do Amazon deliveries in and around this area with my car and was wondering if this specific spot is council or not. It seems to have official looking 'business permit holders only' nameplates but I couldn't really see any permits on any cars. A few employees get annoyed I park there for 5-10 minutes a day so they warned me the wardens come around here most times but I'm extremely skeptical. I think the actual road ends @ the M&S collection point but I'm only guessing.

Any ideas how to check if its official or not?

Thanks!

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post Tue, 19 Jun 2018 - 08:08
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OP----looks Council to me. Here's an early traffic order (page 81) which specifies Barrack Square:-

https://tro.trafficpenaltytribunal.gov.uk/T...msford/CF56.pdf

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post Tue, 19 Jun 2018 - 08:22
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You can see some business permit council signs there so council looks like.
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post Tue, 19 Jun 2018 - 13:15
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They may not be so keen on the wardens coming round if they realise that double yellow lines apply up the wall and all the cars in the corner are ripe for a penalty notice
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LIXA
post Tue, 19 Jun 2018 - 14:30
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Thanks for the informative replies guys! Much appreciated.

Looks like I'm gambling every time I stop then. No where else to stop in the whole centre without getting stung blah!

Thanks again!
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post Tue, 19 Jun 2018 - 23:22
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My understanding is that you can park on the yellow lines to load/unload
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post Wed, 20 Jun 2018 - 01:57
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QUOTE (Redivi @ Wed, 20 Jun 2018 - 00:22) *
My understanding is that you can park on the yellow lines to load/unload


Are deliveries such as Amazon etc considered to be unloading?
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post Wed, 20 Jun 2018 - 06:44
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QUOTE (StuartBu @ Wed, 20 Jun 2018 - 02:57) *
QUOTE (Redivi @ Wed, 20 Jun 2018 - 00:22) *
My understanding is that you can park on the yellow lines to load/unload


Are deliveries such as Amazon etc considered to be unloading?

Evidently London Councils think so https://www.londoncouncils.gov.uk/services/...g-and-unloading However I had always thought that while pragmatically this may be permitted that loading/unloading exemption only applied where a bulky object was involved & that unloading a letter or other small packet would not qualify for exemption.


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British Parking Association Ltd Code of Practice(Appendix C contains Schedule 4 of POFA 2012 ) & can be found here http://www.britishparking.co.uk/Code-of-Pr...ance-monitoring
DfT Guidance on Section 56 and Schedule 4 of POFA 2012 https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/syste...ing-charges.pdf
Damning OFT advice on levels of parking charges that was ignored by the BPA Ltd Reference Request Number: IAT/FOIA/135010 – 12 October 2012
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post Wed, 20 Jun 2018 - 07:31
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The exemption for couriers and multi-drops makes sense

They're not going to be stopping any longer than necessary and, unless they can remember every package they've loaded, multi-drop drivers may not even know the size of the object until they open the back of the van

IIRC some Traffic Orders have an exemption for deliveries to a Post Office that make no mention of the packet size
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post Wed, 20 Jun 2018 - 14:21
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QUOTE (LIXA @ Tue, 19 Jun 2018 - 06:08) *
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.7320522,0...3312!8i6656

Hi,

It seems to have official looking 'business permit holders only' nameplates but I couldn't really see any permits on any cars.

Thanks!


Our local council no longer issue paper parking permits for specific areas of the town, it is all gone paper free. The warden checks the reg. no. on his little handheld computer as he walks round.
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LIXA
post Sun, 24 Jun 2018 - 18:42
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Hi !

The plate at the double yellow lines strictly forbids loading at any time.

I believe they changed the law recently that says any unloading must be done with a commercial vehicle (on the logbook) and not by simply having courier insurance on a private car (as is the case - amazon provides free top up insurance when you are on deliveries.)

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post Sun, 24 Jun 2018 - 20:19
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QUOTE (LIXA @ Sun, 24 Jun 2018 - 19:42) *
I believe they changed the law recently that says any unloading must be done with a commercial vehicle


AFAIK, there has been no such change in the law.

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post Sun, 24 Jun 2018 - 20:48
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QUOTE (peterguk @ Sun, 24 Jun 2018 - 21:19) *
QUOTE (LIXA @ Sun, 24 Jun 2018 - 19:42) *
I believe they changed the law recently that says any unloading must be done with a commercial vehicle


AFAIK, there has been no such change in the law.



Nor me.


Bosworth et al (adjudicator panel decision) did seek to clarify that commercial activity did not automatically qualify for loading exemptions, Conclusions, article 7, page 10 refers.
https://www.londontribunals.gov.uk/sites/de...r%20Hamlets.pdf
But 7(e) still makes it clear that couriers like DHL (and I would suggest an Amazon delivery driver would come into this) would normally come into the exemption as it would be unrealistic to expect the driver to make a judgment on each and every delivery.
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