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Law Wannabe
post Thu, 5 Jul 2018 - 15:24
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Hi guys

I am looking for the answers to some questions about the processes used in issuing a court summons for speeding. This isn't mine it is my sons but even though it was accepted he was speeding I question some of the content. Now we realise he could lose his license I had noticed some things that make me feel uneasy. Offence is A30 London Road Staines/Ashford August 2017 exceeding 60 in a 30. Can anyone answer some of the points or advise on whether there is a defense.

Statement by police officer was made on 26th January 2018 – 5 months after the offence (Signed on 30th January 2018)
Mg4d postal requisition dated 30th January 2018 (Summons) this is within the 6 months but when was it actually logged in court as the Summons was posted to old address on 8th May 2018 I would like
to know when the summons was actually requested as I believe that is the 6 month deadline. Also the case is end of July and it seems a very long time if it went into court in January.
Officer statement does not contain information about their position on A30 or the extent of timings
Only 2 photographs of evidence sent and one contains no information
There is no signage restricting 30mph on that stretch of the A30 - PO says distance of lampposts signifies speed - less than 200 yards. Now I was taught metric so therefore my son was too and his test
would have contained metric answers. I have asked a driving examiner and they discussed in the office and none of them use lampposts to determine speed when they teach or examine.
The driver was on the opposite carriageway and was possibly entering a 40mph where there are signs, however the lampposts are still the same distance as the 30mph and 50mph zones. My argument is
when the speed is changed in a road do they automatically move the lampposts to make sure drivers are aware smile.gif Tongue in cheek I know they don't
The A30 is variable speed in 3 parts but the lampposts are the same distance
The road is a dual carriageway and runs for 2.5 miles as a dual carriageway both sides but PO has not given his position
The police set up the laser to monitor traffic travelling towards staines the driver was travelling on opposite carriageway and concerned at the accuracy if the laser is swiftly moved 180 degrees to catch
their car
The laser was calibrated at 35 meters before operation set up at 11.42 attended staines road and set up monitoring the driver was photographed at 12:40:25 and the PO says at the conclusion of the
checks at 12:42 the DVD was unloaded and sealed, however the checks are done in addlestone when he returns from end of duty!! so what speed was he doing to pack up equipment and get to
addlestone in less than 2 minutes? It all looks total Bull to me and the driver may lose his license and his job.

Anyone with any help and advice I am most grateful

Thank you
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- Law Wannabe   Lots of questions on a summons for speeding and processes   Thu, 5 Jul 2018 - 15:24
- - Jlc   The 6 months is to commence proceedings, from the ...   Thu, 5 Jul 2018 - 16:04
- - jezt   QUOTE (Law Wannabe @ Thu, 5 Jul 2018 - 1...   Thu, 5 Jul 2018 - 16:13
- - notmeatloaf   Your post is fairly scattergun at the moment. Eit...   Thu, 5 Jul 2018 - 16:33
- - The Rookie   I don’t use lampposts to determine speed, but I ...   Thu, 5 Jul 2018 - 16:36
- - Law Wannabe   Thanks people I will answer all on this post. He ...   Thu, 5 Jul 2018 - 20:28
|- - peterguk   QUOTE (Law Wannabe @ Thu, 5 Jul 2018 - 2...   Thu, 5 Jul 2018 - 20:44
- - Jlc   Regardless of what is taught (it's criminal th...   Thu, 5 Jul 2018 - 20:44
- - Law Wannabe   here is statement written in January 2018   Thu, 5 Jul 2018 - 20:49
- - notmeatloaf   If your son is pleading guilty then it makes matte...   Thu, 5 Jul 2018 - 21:08
- - Jlc   Nothing obviously amiss on that statement - nothin...   Thu, 5 Jul 2018 - 21:18
|- - Law Wannabe   QUOTE (Jlc @ Thu, 5 Jul 2018 - 22:18...   Fri, 6 Jul 2018 - 08:46
|- - peterguk   QUOTE (Law Wannabe @ Fri, 6 Jul 2018 - 0...   Fri, 6 Jul 2018 - 08:47
- - NewJudge   You seem to be getting a bit hung up on the lamp p...   Thu, 5 Jul 2018 - 21:49
|- - IanJohnsonWS14   [quote name='NewJudge' date='Thu, 5 Ju...   Fri, 6 Jul 2018 - 10:55
- - BaggieBoy   Based on the details in the statement it seems the...   Thu, 5 Jul 2018 - 22:27
- - 666   The idea that learners are no longer taught about ...   Thu, 5 Jul 2018 - 22:32
- - Law Wannabe   Just to clarify he was driving towards the PO on t...   Fri, 6 Jul 2018 - 08:51
|- - Jlc   QUOTE (Law Wannabe @ Fri, 6 Jul 2018 - 0...   Fri, 6 Jul 2018 - 09:26
- - Law Wannabe   I have uploaded the photograph showing a - moving ...   Fri, 6 Jul 2018 - 10:52
|- - baroudeur   QUOTE (Law Wannabe @ Fri, 6 Jul 2018 - 1...   Fri, 6 Jul 2018 - 11:32
- - Law Wannabe   The main question now is can we offer up the fact ...   Fri, 6 Jul 2018 - 11:03
- - Jlc   If my understanding is correct, he was pinged befo...   Fri, 6 Jul 2018 - 11:20
- - StationCat   Looking at your uploaded photo, the lamp-post has ...   Fri, 6 Jul 2018 - 11:30
- - Law Wannabe   Thanks guys I remember studying the photos for h...   Fri, 6 Jul 2018 - 11:58
- - StationCat   That shot is one second before, and I think the la...   Fri, 6 Jul 2018 - 12:29
|- - Jlc   QUOTE (StationCat @ Fri, 6 Jul 2018 - 13...   Fri, 6 Jul 2018 - 12:46
- - NewJudge   QUOTE (IanJohnsonWS14 @ Fri, 6 Jul 2018 ...   Fri, 6 Jul 2018 - 12:33
- - Law Wannabe   Thanks guys I'm not sure but I am going to re...   Fri, 6 Jul 2018 - 21:58
- - The Rookie   You can request it, but they only have to supply i...   Sat, 7 Jul 2018 - 07:52
- - notmeatloaf   As has been said, it is perhaps likely they will n...   Sat, 7 Jul 2018 - 10:46
- - StationCat   If the van was where we think it was then the car ...   Sat, 7 Jul 2018 - 11:11
- - Law Wannabe   Hi Guys I have spoken to the police officer and h...   Fri, 13 Jul 2018 - 19:55
|- - jdh   QUOTE (Law Wannabe @ Fri, 13 Jul 2018 - ...   Mon, 30 Jul 2018 - 10:32
|- - cp8759   QUOTE (jdh @ Mon, 30 Jul 2018 - 11:3...   Mon, 30 Jul 2018 - 13:29
- - cp8759   Procedurally Surrey Police are right, the process ...   Fri, 13 Jul 2018 - 20:30
- - notmeatloaf   I think this has come up before. The Criminal Just...   Fri, 13 Jul 2018 - 20:33
- - Law Wannabe   He was always going guilty - It's me really I ...   Fri, 13 Jul 2018 - 20:45
- - Law Wannabe   I sat studying all of that last night and yes ther...   Fri, 13 Jul 2018 - 20:55
- - notmeatloaf   Well if you have the bit between your teeth then g...   Fri, 13 Jul 2018 - 21:10
- - Law Wannabe   Thank you Would be great if any of this comes up...   Fri, 13 Jul 2018 - 21:43
- - Law Wannabe   Hi Everyone I wanted to update on my post with th...   Sat, 28 Jul 2018 - 21:43
- - notmeatloaf   Shame Surrey weren't called out on their shodd...   Sat, 28 Jul 2018 - 21:49
- - Law Wannabe   My pleasure I also need to add the 3 Female magist...   Sat, 28 Jul 2018 - 21:54
- - NewJudge   Just out of interest, did you see any significance...   Sat, 28 Jul 2018 - 21:56
- - Law Wannabe   Yes I did - I was happy to see them up there as I ...   Sat, 28 Jul 2018 - 22:06
|- - southpaw82   QUOTE (Law Wannabe @ Sat, 28 Jul 2018 - ...   Sat, 28 Jul 2018 - 22:42
|- - cp8759   QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Sat, 28 Jul 2018 - 2...   Sun, 29 Jul 2018 - 13:17
- - notmeatloaf   It is possible that the whole "Mum and Dad he...   Sat, 28 Jul 2018 - 22:09
- - notmeatloaf   Perhaps he means top of the courtroom, height wise...   Sat, 28 Jul 2018 - 23:03
|- - southpaw82   QUOTE (notmeatloaf @ Sun, 29 Jul 2018 - ...   Sat, 28 Jul 2018 - 23:07
- - Law Wannabe   Yes I think it was the parent thing but it was all...   Sun, 29 Jul 2018 - 00:02
- - notmeatloaf   Indeed. In fact when I worked in supermarkets the ...   Mon, 30 Jul 2018 - 13:39


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