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BAILIFFCHASER
post Wed, 24 Aug 2011 - 08:31
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What happens if you pay a pcn and realise afterwards 2-3 weeks that you were right and ask for your money back from the la ?


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I would also like to take the credit for taking ccs enforcement limited out of business before rundell and co took their ruins over.

If you have abailiff problem let me know as i would like to become their problem.
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post Wed, 24 Aug 2011 - 09:09
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My understanding is that once paid the matter is closed.

The only exceptions that I've noticed here have been when tribunals have picked up major failings with cameras or traffic orders that mean that enforcement has always been unlawful.

Even then, councils are reluctant to make automatic refunds and leave it for their victims to find out about the ruling.
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post Wed, 24 Aug 2011 - 09:14
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After 2-3 weeks you realise that you were right?

Not certain what this means. Penalty charges etc. operate in a legal process - knowing something is one thing; proving it to the satisfaction of another party is another.

Too vague at the moment.

But if you want an answer to what you've posted - write to the council and ask for your money back. IMO, too often OPs seem to get themselves into a lather before they've taken the first simple step of contacting the council.

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post Wed, 24 Aug 2011 - 10:10
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OP's are obsessed with the 50% discount.

You pay, you lose. Case closed.
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Neil B
post Wed, 24 Aug 2011 - 12:39
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QUOTE (Glacier2 @ Wed, 24 Aug 2011 - 11:10) *
OP's are obsessed with the 50% discount.


yep, certainly more so in recent months. It gets v frustrating trying to help when they keep giving indications we are wasting our time because they will likely cave at a second chance on that discount.


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post Wed, 24 Aug 2011 - 12:47
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A post fine refund has been achieved before...
http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=42926



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BAILIFFCHASER
post Wed, 24 Aug 2011 - 13:24
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The council will automatically refuse the request and as the council will not refund you voluntarily you cant take the matter to appeal in which case you could go through a small claims procedure.


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Visit the following sites if you are having bailiff problems :

www.bailiffadviceonline.co.uk .

www.medwayparking.co.uk If you have a car that has been clamped for a unpaid parking ticket (la/congestion charging only)

http://www.askmid.com/askmid.aspx To quickly check if a vehicle is insured.

I would also like to take the credit for taking ccs enforcement limited out of business before rundell and co took their ruins over.

If you have abailiff problem let me know as i would like to become their problem.
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Neil B
post Wed, 24 Aug 2011 - 13:40
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QUOTE (BAILIFFCHASER @ Wed, 24 Aug 2011 - 14:24) *
The council will automatically refuse the request and as the council will not refund you voluntarily you cant take the matter to appeal in which case you could go through a small claims procedure.


Well no, there have been examples where Councils have voluntarily refunded en-masse, certainly where an application is made for a refund and aren't RuT currently debating their own voluntary refunds?

Again though, as someone asked, is this a general point or is there a specific case and reason?


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post Wed, 24 Aug 2011 - 15:26
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QUOTE (BAILIFFCHASER @ Wed, 24 Aug 2011 - 16:24) *
The council will automatically refuse the request and as the council will not refund you voluntarily you cant take the matter to appeal in which case you could go through a small claims procedure.

Eh? No.

The council will be able to successfully defend on the basis of the wrong venue defence. The council will quite correctly point out the the place to appeal parking tickets is the adjudicators. The fact the person claiming did not follow the correct procedures, i.e. not to pay is neither here nor there.
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BAILIFFCHASER
post Wed, 24 Aug 2011 - 15:37
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It is a general question as several times people have paid a pcn only to discover that either the pcn was invalid or some other problem with it and the council will have none of it apart from the( You have accepted your mistake as you paid or people paid because they felt guilty.).


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Visit the following sites if you are having bailiff problems :

www.bailiffadviceonline.co.uk .

www.medwayparking.co.uk If you have a car that has been clamped for a unpaid parking ticket (la/congestion charging only)

http://www.askmid.com/askmid.aspx To quickly check if a vehicle is insured.

I would also like to take the credit for taking ccs enforcement limited out of business before rundell and co took their ruins over.

If you have abailiff problem let me know as i would like to become their problem.
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post Wed, 24 Aug 2011 - 15:57
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Then Glacier's post#9 applies.


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post Wed, 24 Aug 2011 - 18:59
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I don't have a copy, nor have I seen one (yet), of
Rebecca Williams, Unjust Enrichment and Public Law (Hart Publishing, 2010).

but Endicott bigs it up as worth reading


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Which facts in any situation or problem are “essential” and what makes them “essential”? If the “essential” facts are said to depend on the principles involved, then the whole business, all too obviously, goes right around in a circle. In the light of one principle or set of principles, one bunch of facts will be the “essential” ones; in the light of another principle or set of principles, a different bunch of facts will be “essential.” In order to settle on the right facts you first have to pick your principles, although the whole point of finding the facts was to indicate which principles apply.

Note that I am not legally qualified and any and all statements made are "Reserved". Liability for application lies with the reader.
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henrik777
post Wed, 24 Aug 2011 - 20:07
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QUOTE (bama @ Wed, 24 Aug 2011 - 19:59) *
I don't have a copy, nor have I seen one (yet), of
Rebecca Williams, Unjust Enrichment and Public Law (Hart Publishing, 2010).

but Endicott bigs it up as worth reading


http://www.amazon.co.uk/Unjust-Enrichment-...6354&sr=8-5
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BAILIFFCHASER
post Wed, 24 Aug 2011 - 22:36
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The water needs to be tested on this.


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Visit the following sites if you are having bailiff problems :

www.bailiffadviceonline.co.uk .

www.medwayparking.co.uk If you have a car that has been clamped for a unpaid parking ticket (la/congestion charging only)

http://www.askmid.com/askmid.aspx To quickly check if a vehicle is insured.

I would also like to take the credit for taking ccs enforcement limited out of business before rundell and co took their ruins over.

If you have abailiff problem let me know as i would like to become their problem.
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