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Car crash-who is at fault, Dash cam footage
Zazaa
post Sun, 25 Nov 2018 - 23:04
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Hi guys,

Dash cam footage has come regarding a collision between 2 cars-who is at fault?

NB car on the left was signalling to turn left, and the bus lane was not in operation.


Ok, I can't seem to upload the video onto tinypic

how do i upload videos?



https://youtu.be/WjR43UcX0f8

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Does the HC cover all driving senarios that might constitute DWDC or DD? Does the highway code attribute fault in cases of accident? Some seem to think it fine to just drive along at the speed limit overtaking on the left just because they can. Not me I ascribe to the view that whilst you can drive undertake on the left in this situation you must take extra care or risk a degree of fault in event of said accident
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post Yesterday, 07:11
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The Highway Code is advisory, it can be used as evidence of ‘best practice’ but it’s for a court to decide at the end of it whether the standard of driving fell below (or far below) the standard expected of a safe and competent driver.


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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Wed, 12 Dec 2018 - 07:11) *
The Highway Code is advisory, it can be used as evidence of ‘best practice’ but it’s for a court to decide at the end of it whether the standard of driving fell below (or far below) the standard expected of a safe and competent driver.


Agreed it's for a court, but what is "the standard expected of a safe and competent driver"?

Logically, it must be the ability to pass the theory and practical driving tests. The syllabus for those is based on the Highway Code, "Know Your Traffic Signs" and "Driving - The Essential Skills".

Anyone whose driving departs significantly from the HC would not pass the practical test, and so does not meet the standard.
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QUOTE (666 @ Wed, 12 Dec 2018 - 11:05) *
what is "the standard expected of a safe and competent driver"?

While you can try and apply black and white/logic, the acid test would come from that mysterious man on the Clapham omnibus and what he thinks.


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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Wed, 12 Dec 2018 - 11:44) *
QUOTE (666 @ Wed, 12 Dec 2018 - 11:05) *
what is "the standard expected of a safe and competent driver"?

While you can try and apply black and white/logic, the acid test would come from that mysterious man on the Clapham omnibus and what he thinks.


True. Looking on the bright side, at least on a London bus the majority of those on board were alert enough not to vote for Brexit. wink.gif
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post Yesterday, 14:08
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QUOTE (666 @ Wed, 12 Dec 2018 - 13:47) *
QUOTE (The Rookie @ Wed, 12 Dec 2018 - 11:44) *
QUOTE (666 @ Wed, 12 Dec 2018 - 11:05) *
what is "the standard expected of a safe and competent driver"?

While you can try and apply black and white/logic, the acid test would come from that mysterious man on the Clapham omnibus and what he thinks.


True. Looking on the bright side, at least on a London bus the majority of those on board were alert enough not to vote for Brexit. wink.gif

Even on a random bus outside London the majority would not have voted for Brexit either. Even assuming that all the passengers were on the electoral register on average only just over a third (37.4%) will have voted "Leave".


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Damning OFT advice on levels of parking charges that was ignored by the BPA Ltd Reference Request Number: IAT/FOIA/135010 – 12 October 2012
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QUOTE (nigelbb @ Wed, 12 Dec 2018 - 14:08) *
QUOTE (666 @ Wed, 12 Dec 2018 - 13:47) *
QUOTE (The Rookie @ Wed, 12 Dec 2018 - 11:44) *
QUOTE (666 @ Wed, 12 Dec 2018 - 11:05) *
what is "the standard expected of a safe and competent driver"?

While you can try and apply black and white/logic, the acid test would come from that mysterious man on the Clapham omnibus and what he thinks.


True. Looking on the bright side, at least on a London bus the majority of those on board were alert enough not to vote for Brexit. wink.gif

Even on a random bus outside London the majority would not have voted for Brexit either. Even assuming that all the passengers were on the electoral register on average only just over a third (37.4%) will have voted "Leave".

So those that voted to leave do not travel on buses.
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QUOTE (DancingDad @ Wed, 12 Dec 2018 - 14:54) *
. . . .

So those that voted to leave do not travel on buses.


Only on ones with some big numbers on the side!
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QUOTE (DancingDad @ Wed, 12 Dec 2018 - 15:54) *
QUOTE (nigelbb @ Wed, 12 Dec 2018 - 14:08) *
QUOTE (666 @ Wed, 12 Dec 2018 - 13:47) *
QUOTE (The Rookie @ Wed, 12 Dec 2018 - 11:44) *
QUOTE (666 @ Wed, 12 Dec 2018 - 11:05) *
what is "the standard expected of a safe and competent driver"?

While you can try and apply black and white/logic, the acid test would come from that mysterious man on the Clapham omnibus and what he thinks.


True. Looking on the bright side, at least on a London bus the majority of those on board were alert enough not to vote for Brexit. wink.gif

Even on a random bus outside London the majority would not have voted for Brexit either. Even assuming that all the passengers were on the electoral register on average only just over a third (37.4%) will have voted "Leave".

So those that voted to leave do not travel on buses.

Assuming the bus has 100 passengers (obviously many will be standing) & rounding to whole numbers then 37 of them voted "Leave", 35 of them voted "Remain" & 28 didn't cast a vote either way.


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British Parking Association Ltd Code of Practice(Appendix C contains Schedule 4 of POFA 2012 ) & can be found here http://www.britishparking.co.uk/Code-of-Pr...ance-monitoring
DfT Guidance on Section 56 and Schedule 4 of POFA 2012 https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/syste...ing-charges.pdf
Damning OFT advice on levels of parking charges that was ignored by the BPA Ltd Reference Request Number: IAT/FOIA/135010 – 12 October 2012
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QUOTE (nigelbb @ Wed, 12 Dec 2018 - 15:41) *
QUOTE (DancingDad @ Wed, 12 Dec 2018 - 15:54) *
QUOTE (nigelbb @ Wed, 12 Dec 2018 - 14:08) *
QUOTE (666 @ Wed, 12 Dec 2018 - 13:47) *
QUOTE (The Rookie @ Wed, 12 Dec 2018 - 11:44) *
QUOTE (666 @ Wed, 12 Dec 2018 - 11:05) *
what is "the standard expected of a safe and competent driver"?

While you can try and apply black and white/logic, the acid test would come from that mysterious man on the Clapham omnibus and what he thinks.


True. Looking on the bright side, at least on a London bus the majority of those on board were alert enough not to vote for Brexit. wink.gif

Even on a random bus outside London the majority would not have voted for Brexit either. Even assuming that all the passengers were on the electoral register on average only just over a third (37.4%) will have voted "Leave".

So those that voted to leave do not travel on buses.

Assuming the bus has 100 passengers (obviously many will be standing) & rounding to whole numbers then 37 of them voted "Leave", 35 of them voted "Remain" & 28 didn't cast a vote either way.


Not in London!

42 voted remain, 28 leave, 30 didn't vote..
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How many had bus passes and how many paid cash?



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post Yesterday, 16:10
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QUOTE (666 @ Wed, 12 Dec 2018 - 16:47) *
QUOTE (nigelbb @ Wed, 12 Dec 2018 - 15:41) *
QUOTE (DancingDad @ Wed, 12 Dec 2018 - 15:54) *
QUOTE (nigelbb @ Wed, 12 Dec 2018 - 14:08) *
QUOTE (666 @ Wed, 12 Dec 2018 - 13:47) *
QUOTE (The Rookie @ Wed, 12 Dec 2018 - 11:44) *
QUOTE (666 @ Wed, 12 Dec 2018 - 11:05) *
what is "the standard expected of a safe and competent driver"?

While you can try and apply black and white/logic, the acid test would come from that mysterious man on the Clapham omnibus and what he thinks.


True. Looking on the bright side, at least on a London bus the majority of those on board were alert enough not to vote for Brexit. wink.gif

Even on a random bus outside London the majority would not have voted for Brexit either. Even assuming that all the passengers were on the electoral register on average only just over a third (37.4%) will have voted "Leave".

So those that voted to leave do not travel on buses.

Assuming the bus has 100 passengers (obviously many will be standing) & rounding to whole numbers then 37 of them voted "Leave", 35 of them voted "Remain" & 28 didn't cast a vote either way.


Not in London!

42 voted remain, 28 leave, 30 didn't vote..

That's why I wrote "Even on a random bus outside London".

Probably I should have written "an average bus with 100 passengers all on the electoral roll & reflecting the nationwide voting pattern".

If the bus truly reflected the UK population including the 7 million people who are eligible to vote but not registered then the number of people on the bus voting "Leave" would be about 33.


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British Parking Association Ltd Code of Practice(Appendix C contains Schedule 4 of POFA 2012 ) & can be found here http://www.britishparking.co.uk/Code-of-Pr...ance-monitoring
DfT Guidance on Section 56 and Schedule 4 of POFA 2012 https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/syste...ing-charges.pdf
Damning OFT advice on levels of parking charges that was ignored by the BPA Ltd Reference Request Number: IAT/FOIA/135010 – 12 October 2012
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