Parking Contravention - Lambeth |
Parking Contravention - Lambeth |
Sun, 3 Nov 2019 - 14:10
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Member Group: Members Posts: 40 Joined: 3 Nov 2019 Member No.: 106,452 |
Hello,
I received a PCN from parking incorrectly in Lambeth, dated the 29th of October 2019. Please see photos taken by the council below: https://ibb.co/NmxGjf0 https://ibb.co/Lx4qTsy https://ibb.co/xhk6g0d https://ibb.co/KF262Qv https://ibb.co/jzXkCYZ Here is the Google Street View: https://goo.gl/maps/S9dxCXyxw2SMye339 - I was parked on the left. I would like to know how to proceed with this. I thought I was parked fine - parking there is seemingly confusing with driveways, lines and signs all over the place. Admittedly, I had not seen the sign on the other side of the pole. Any advise is greatly appreciated, any things I have left out or you need to know from me, please ask. |
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Mon, 13 Jul 2020 - 13:33
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Member Group: Members Posts: 26,655 Joined: 6 Nov 2014 Member No.: 74,048 |
You can claim mileage at a rate of 45p per mile so that should be £15.57 x 2 that you are only claiming fuel cost can be used to your benefit if you word it correctly it shows how derisory the £40 offer actually is
45p per mile is te HMRC rate for 2020 -------------------- All advice is given freely. It is given without guarantee and responsibility for its use rests with the user
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Tue, 14 Jul 2020 - 11:03
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,006 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
Following the intervention of the Information Commissioner, I've finally got my hands on the council plans / resolution. Cover note from the council:
I can confirm that we have located the attached report which explains that between 3 December 1985 and 5 August 1996, the council operated discretion in all of Helmsdale Road when enforcing the law prohibiting footway-parking in London. This meant there had been tacit, but not legal, permission to park on the footway. The 1996 Committee Decision changed this by made parking on the footway of those lengths of Helmsdale Road illustrated on the last page of the report exempt from that that specific piece of legislation. From that date, traffic signs along Helmsdale Road have informed drivers which sections of footway they are permitted to park with two wheels on the footway. The London-wide prohibition on footway parking still applies on the remaining sections on Helmsdale Road. To my amazement, from analysing the map the placement of the signs is actually correct: Full EIR response here: https://bit.ly/3ftRipc Yes I know the resolution is rubbish and we don't have the minutes confirming this was approved, and if the contravention were being contested I'd press for those details, but as this is now academic I'm not going to bother. -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Wed, 15 Jul 2020 - 14:55
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Member Group: Members Posts: 40 Joined: 3 Nov 2019 Member No.: 106,452 |
This is pretty amazing, actually!
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Wed, 15 Jul 2020 - 16:19
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Member Group: Members Posts: 35,049 Joined: 2 Aug 2008 From: Woking Member No.: 21,551 |
The OP posted:
Yes, I must add that this came directly from Lambeth, not from the Tribunal. So, on second notice that is somewhat conspicuous as I hadn't heard anything from the Tribunal. I could certainly get in contact with them to ask for an update. Let's be clear here because this could be serious(as in bad) for Lambeth. Costs 13.—(1) The adjudicator shall not normally make an order awarding costs and expenses, but may, subject to subparagraph (2) make such an order— (a)against a party (including an appellant who has withdrawn his appeal or an enforcement authority which has consented to an appeal being allowed) if he is of the opinion that that party has acted frivolously or vexatiously or that his conduct in making, pursuing or resisting an appeal was wholly unreasonable; or (b)against an enforcement authority where he considers that the disputed decision was wholly unreasonable. (2) An order shall not be made under subparagraph (1) against a party unless that party has been given an opportunity of making representations against the making of the order. (3) An order under subparagraph (1) shall require the party against whom it is made to pay to the other party a specified sum in respect of the costs and expenses incurred by that other party in connection with the proceedings. Therefore the adj would have notified Lambeth that they were minded to award costs and invited them to make representations TO THE ADJUDICATOR against the making of the order.. NOT to circumvent and subvert the costs process by dealing with you bilaterally. Nail them. @MMV, It's all very well for the Council to horsetrade but it's for an adjudicator to agree the cost amount. IMO, it b****y isn't permissible to 'horsetrade'. This post has been edited by hcandersen: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 - 16:25 |
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Wed, 15 Jul 2020 - 19:34
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Member Group: Closed Posts: 9,710 Joined: 28 Mar 2007 Member No.: 11,355 |
@hca
You've explained the process. The Council are informed that the Tribunal is minded to award costs. The Council can then object to the making of the order. How do they object? Just that an order should not be made? What's the point of that? IMO any Council will attempt to minimise its outlay and the legislation gives them an opportunity to do so i.e. "representations"---horsetrading! Mick |
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Fri, 7 Aug 2020 - 12:44
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Member Group: Members Posts: 40 Joined: 3 Nov 2019 Member No.: 106,452 |
RELATABLE
-v- London Borough of Lambeth (The Enforcement Authority) Adjudicator’s Decision Following determination of this case, the appellant has made an application for costs against the Enforcement Authority under Paragraph 13 of the Schedule to the Civil Enforcement of Parking Contraventions (England) Representations and Appeals Regulations 2007 The Adjudicator has determined that costs be awarded. The reasons for the Adjudicator’s decision are enclosed. The Adjudicator orders the Enforcement Authority to pay the Appellant the sum of £100.00 forthwith. Adjudicator’s Reasons The Council's response to the application admits that it was at fault in not notifying the Appellant that the case was no longer contested and, by implication - very properly in my view - accepts that the criteria for making an order are satisfied. Clearly what is in dispute is the amount claimed , the council effectively submitting that the sum of £40 would be reasonable. The Appellant has provided a detailed breakdown of his reasonable travel costs which add up to £45.94 (though he then puts these at £25.10) and to which he is certainly entitled. The additional amount claimed is in respect of 5 hours research. This is unevidenced . However one cannot expect an Appellant to produce a file showing time charged similar to that of a solicitor; and it is clear from the form of his representations that he has indeed researched the not particularly easy law relating to off carriageway parking in some detail. Certainly a few hours for an Appellant starting from scratch is not unreasonable. I consider he is entitled to some compensation for this time. In my judgement an appropriate total figure to award to include travel and preparation is £100 and I order accordingly. I'd say that this is a win. I must have made an error with regards of the 25.10 as was stated, as that was the original figure, but had updated this when uploading my evidence, but must've left the original figure in somewhere. However, it seemed to have been taken into account. This post has been edited by relatable: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 - 12:46 |
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Fri, 7 Aug 2020 - 13:08
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Member Group: Members Posts: 23,582 Joined: 12 Feb 2013 From: London Member No.: 59,924 |
Well done - the tribunal was batting for you here.
On the layout I'd contend that the signage is still enough to challenge these as they are blatantly ignoring the guidance. |
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Tue, 11 Aug 2020 - 20:17
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,006 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
Well done, getting costs out of Lambeth is like blood from a stone so this is quite an impressive result.
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