NIP - 27 in 20 zone in london leabridge road |
NIP - 27 in 20 zone in london leabridge road |
Wed, 20 Mar 2019 - 20:07
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Member Group: Members Posts: 10 Joined: 11 Jan 2019 Member No.: 101,841 |
Hello all,
Got a NIP for doing 27 in a so called 20 zone, https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.560254,-0...6384!8i8192 I dont have any excuses really, although 20mph on that stretch of road does not seem reasonable. I suppose I should fill out the form and hope they offer me a course? Ive been through the NIP Wizard and it says I should complete and return the forms. |
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Wed, 20 Mar 2019 - 20:20
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Member Group: Members Posts: 41,506 Joined: 25 Aug 2011 From: Planet Earth Member No.: 49,223 |
The limit may be ‘unreasonable’ but if it is correct then your actions are clear.
-------------------- RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information, SAR=Subject Access Request Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it. |
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Wed, 20 Mar 2019 - 20:22
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Member Group: Members Posts: 13,572 Joined: 28 Mar 2010 Member No.: 36,528 |
Unfortunately the limit being unreasonable is not a defence, and not naming the driver will get you 6 points, while for that speed you should be offered a course.
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Fri, 29 Mar 2019 - 19:53
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Member Group: Members Posts: 10 Joined: 11 Jan 2019 Member No.: 101,841 |
How long does it take to hear back? I posted the letter last friday 22nd and haven't heard anything yet, and im getting paranoid my response is lost in the post.
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Fri, 29 Mar 2019 - 20:16
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Member Group: Members Posts: 6,963 Joined: 19 Dec 2006 From: Near Calais Member No.: 9,683 |
Up to 6 months I think is the answer.
You'll find all of Hackney and Islington as well as parts of Waltham Forest are 20mph limits. |
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Fri, 29 Mar 2019 - 20:29
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Member Group: Members Posts: 56,198 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
For 27 in a 20 limit you should expect to hear back in circa 2 weeks, no more than 4.
The 6 years the RTB refers to is to commence proceedings for a court case but there is no reason to believe this will go to court, a course or fixed penalty is much more likely. This post has been edited by The Rookie: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 - 07:12 -------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
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Sun, 31 Mar 2019 - 23:43
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Member Group: Members Posts: 1,570 Joined: 13 May 2010 Member No.: 37,524 |
Not that it helps you on this occasion, but I was advised and i do, put the car in 2nd gear and poodle along at 10-15mph. Keep a firm eye on your speedometer. Most cars do not like travelling at 20mph, but keeping it in 2nd gear will help you. If you have an automatic, most will allow you to put it in a semi manual mode.
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Mon, 1 Apr 2019 - 12:53
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Member Group: Members Posts: 3,306 Joined: 4 Mar 2017 Member No.: 90,659 |
Not that it helps you on this occasion, but I was advised and i do, put the car in 2nd gear and poodle along at 10-15mph. Keep a firm eye on your speedometer. Most cars do not like travelling at 20mph, but keeping it in 2nd gear will help you. If you have an automatic, most will allow you to put it in a semi manual mode. If you can't drive at a constant speed, maybe consider extra driving lessons. It isn't a difficult skill. Driving at 10mph because you are unable to drive at 20mph is ridiculous, especially now very large areas have 20mph limits. There is no car on the road that has an inability to drive at 20mph. It's pub talk that it is "impossible" to stick to 20mph limits. |
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Tue, 2 Apr 2019 - 16:11
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Member Group: Members Posts: 761 Joined: 16 Jun 2010 From: sw11 Member No.: 38,303 |
Actually, its very difficult on some motorcycles to ride at 20mph - it is around the speed on some bikes where the cross-over between 'steering' and 'counter-steering' and the gyroscopic effect of the wheels becoming noticeable in terms of the stability of the vehicle.
I beleive there was some research on this very point that suggested that a reduction from 30mph to 20mph increased some elements of risk for PTW, but that it wasn't weighted very heavily (as motorcyclists usually aren't!). -------------------- PePiPoo will likely close in October due to issues beyond the control of any contributor to this forum.
You are encouraged to seek advice at https://www.ftla.uk/speeding-and-other-criminal-offences/ where the vast majority of the experts here have moved over to already. |
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Thu, 4 Apr 2019 - 18:35
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Member Group: Members Posts: 10 Joined: 11 Jan 2019 Member No.: 101,841 |
Reading the FAQ that comes with the original NIP it says that if I am to be offered a course it must be booked within 21 days of the offence which has now passed, so does that mean I will not be offered a course?
Still have not heard anything back from the police so far. I got the letter from the police on 20th March and posted the reply on 22nd March , offence was on the 13th March This post has been edited by Jake345: Thu, 4 Apr 2019 - 18:37 |
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Thu, 4 Apr 2019 - 18:38
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Member Group: Members Posts: 41,506 Joined: 25 Aug 2011 From: Planet Earth Member No.: 49,223 |
Reading the FAQ that comes with the original NIP it says that if I am to be offered a course it must be booked within 21 days of the offence which has now passed, so does that mean I will not be offered a course? That can't be right... Perhaps within 21 days from when they offer it (if they do). -------------------- RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information, SAR=Subject Access Request Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it. |
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Thu, 4 Apr 2019 - 19:35
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Member Group: Members Posts: 3,306 Joined: 4 Mar 2017 Member No.: 90,659 |
You will almost certainly get the course offer, the police get a tidy little referral fee so if you meet the criteria and its less than four months from the offence they have a strong incentive for you to take it.
You could always call them if you haven't heard anything in a fortnight. |
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Sat, 20 Apr 2019 - 07:16
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Member Group: Members Posts: 10 Joined: 11 Jan 2019 Member No.: 101,841 |
Just to update everyone I did get the course offer in the end and this time it says I Need to book the course within 21 days of receiving the offer. ( unlike the original letter which said it had to be booked within 21 days of the offence )
Anyway... I was on Moneysupermarket filing in details for next years insurance and noticed this site asks specifically "Have you committed any driving offences or had any Fixed Penalty Notices in the last 5 years?" ...... So even though I intend to take the course and wont face a conviction, do I have to answer this question as "yes I have commented an offence" and give the details of a speeding offence? Ive noticed some comparison sites will only ask if youve had a conviction which is different to the way Moneysupermarket are asking if your committed an offence. |
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Sat, 20 Apr 2019 - 07:23
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Member Group: Members Posts: 56,198 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
No, the answer is no.
-------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
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Sat, 20 Apr 2019 - 07:37
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Member Group: Members Posts: 1,214 Joined: 24 Mar 2013 From: Scotland Member No.: 60,732 |
I've seen that question "have you committed any offences" but only on comparison sites, the actual insurance application has always asked about convictions and fixed penalties. So although strictly the answer to "Have you committed any driving offences" should actually be "Yes", what I would do is answer No at that stage but then when choosing an insurer and actually applying, check what their question actually is. A course would only need to be disclosed if they specifically asked.
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Sat, 20 Apr 2019 - 08:05
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Member Group: Members Posts: 4,126 Joined: 31 Jan 2018 Member No.: 96,238 |
What exactly does "have you committed any offences?" include if they weren't dealt with by Fixed Penalties
Committed but never caught ? Dealt with by a course ? Prosecuted and convicted ? |
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Sat, 20 Apr 2019 - 10:46
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Member Group: Members Posts: 6,723 Joined: 3 Apr 2006 From: North Hampshire Member No.: 5,183 |
Pretty sure I commit a speeding offence every time I drive. Should I hand myself in?
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