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J4G3D
post Fri, 19 Oct 2018 - 19:22
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Hi again wonderful people of the forum.

My good friend has received a invoice from a company called PPS for the sum of £60.

They claim that the car was not parked in a bay at a tesco express car park at 5.32pm on a Sunday.

The car actually wasn't parked in a bay, but it was parked in a position that did not block anyone.

Anyway, is this another invoice from a private company?

Should I tell my friend to ignore it or can he send the bellow letter which I sent to the parking eye a few months ago (with success)

I am appealing as the keeper and ONLY Schedule 4 of the POFA (or evidence of who was driving) can cause a keeper appellant to be deemed to be the liable party. The PCN makes no attempt to pass liability to the keeper after 28 days. A vehicle can be driven by any person (with the consent of the owner) as long as the driver is insured.

There is no dispute that the driver was entitled to drive the car and I can confirm that they were, but I am exercising my right not to name that person. As the keeper of the vehicle, it is my right to choose not to name the driver, yet still not be lawfully held liable if an operator is not using or complying with Schedule 4.

This exact finding was made in 6061796103 against ParkingEye in September 2016, where POPLA Assessor Carly Law found: ''I note the operator advises that it is not attempting to transfer the liability for the charge using the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 and so in mind, the operator continues to hold the driver responsible. As such, I must first consider whether I am confident that I know who the driver is, based on the evidence received. After considering the evidence, I am unable to confirm that the appellant is in fact the driver. As such, I must allow the appeal on the basis that the operator has failed to demonstrate that the appellant is the driver and therefore liable for the charge. As I am allowing the appeal on this basis, I do not need to consider the other grounds of appeal raised by the appellant. Accordingly, I must allow this appeal.''
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post Sun, 10 Feb 2019 - 12:15
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QUOTE (ostell @ Sat, 9 Feb 2019 - 12:26) *
QUOTE (J4G3D @ Fri, 8 Feb 2019 - 18:10) *
QUOTE (ostell @ Fri, 8 Feb 2019 - 18:13) *
As a Blue Badge holder I regard my car as a neccesity. Don't know how I'd manage without it. And its not motability, though is ex motability car.


That is fine, but buses and taxis have been adapted for those with a disability. I think a lot of people that fall in that category could use them without a problem, and they do without a problem. Some people don't have a driving license and they cope fine. I think we've grown to WANT a vehicle to make life easier. But we can all still get from A to B using public transport, albeit a bit more of a faff..ie.. walking to a bus stop..etc.

But, my argument is, if you can drive a car, pay tax, insurance, mot, servicing, maintenance..etc..etc. A £35 parking invoice should be ok.


I know that this should be in the flame pit but there are problems in your statement, like walking to a bus stop. The relevant bit is walking. And what happens at the other end?

Probably not a lot of experience of life with the OP, or very selfish.

The reason we asked that you paragraph the POPLA response is that it takes time to go through it that format. When those that help are looking through 40 or 50 threads trying to help others on this and other forums why such we make an effort when there are others that appreciate the work done. for them all you have to handle is this one thread.


So every single disabled person cannot walk to the bus stop?

I think its you with very little life experience if you believe in that.

Yes SOME cannot "walk" to the bus stop. Some can wheel themselves to the bus stop..etc. Theres no need to be pedantic about my reply. Buses have disabled facilities for a reason, they don't pay £10000000s to get them installed on their buses for them to never be used. So they are used and some disabled people use them. As with taxis. A taxi can do exactly what your own car can do without the need to walk/wheel yourself to the bus stop. My point is, there are lots of options to get you from A to B. If you want or need a car, then you can afford to pay a £35 invoice. That is my point.

With regards to paragraphing poplas reply. Yes I am only handling this thread, but I have a million and one things going on in my life right about now and frankly, I read through poplas reply in 2 minutes. Its annoying to the eye..yes, but I got there OK and the ticket/invoice/issue has nothing to do with me. I am just helping someone out that. But he's too scared and rather pay it off now. As i've said before.

Its funny though, we've got members spending many minutes of their life in this thread, yet refuse to read popla reply which takes a lot less time.

QUOTE (nosferatu1001 @ Sun, 10 Feb 2019 - 00:19) *
Basically - tosser who's been shown to be one, and now can't back down
bored now.


Then why do you keep coming back to this thread? You've confirmed that you are not willing to help, so why are you returning? to argue? to insult?

Grow up and stop sulking over the fact that I will advise people to pay their fine.

QUOTE (Umkomaas @ Sun, 10 Feb 2019 - 09:50) *
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They've been employed by the landowner to stop people parking illegally.

No parking company is 'employed', they offer their 'services' free, provided they take all the penalty money.

Parking badly, overstaying, etc on private land is not 'illegal'.

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How many times have you been at a supermarket or likewise and customer service have gone on the loud speaker asking someone to move their car?

As 90% of retail car parks are 'managed' by ANPR camera, how does that prevent badly positioned/obstructive parking?


Seems I need to pick my words wisely on here.

Let me rephrase...

They've been employed by the landowner to stop people parking illegally
They're using private parking firms services to prevent people that cannot drive parking how they please.

ANPR camera tracks the registration plate entering and leaving the car park. Assuming that it tracks to see if you've either paid for your parking or overstayed your welcome. Private parking firms are employed...sorry... offer their services so that they can physically check badly parked vehicles.
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post Sun, 10 Feb 2019 - 12:18
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QUOTE (J4G3D @ Sun, 10 Feb 2019 - 12:15) *
Grow up and stop sulking over the fact that I will advise people to pay their fine.

Well, not for the next 7 days you won’t.

QUOTE (nosferatu1001 @ Sat, 9 Feb 2019 - 23:19) *
Basically - tosser who's been shown to be one, and now can't back down
bored now.

Yes, that’s completely in line with the TOS, isn’t it? Just use the report button, eh?


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post Sun, 10 Feb 2019 - 12:42
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Private parking firms are employed...sorry... offer their services so that they can physically check badly parked vehicles.

The vast majority of parking companies never put a foot in a car park. That's why they've utilised ANPR cameras that only take a snap of the vehicle's registration on entry, and one on leaving. They are absolutely static cameras, no more than a few inches long/wide and are perched high on poles at the entrance/exit of the site. They have no CCTV capability.

PPCs have flocked to use these as they are totally automated, earning them fabulous wealth, and allowing them to lay off former foot soldiers (aka car park 'wardens'). There is absolutely no 'car park management' in the accepted sense of the phrase.
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