LCP PCN Harslden Plaza Car Park |
LCP PCN Harslden Plaza Car Park |
Sat, 2 Jun 2018 - 11:28
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Member Group: Members Posts: 323 Joined: 5 Dec 2015 From: London Member No.: 81,055 |
Hi All,
This is a new PCN. I think this is becoming my new hobby :-) The duration is 3h30min The driver has paid for the 1st hour then was held by a physiotherapist and bought a ticket for another 1h. There is still 1h30min of unpaid parking. This £100 does not look like a fair penalty considering the contravention. Please advise. Best regards, This post has been edited by John Bravo: Sat, 2 Jun 2018 - 20:04 -------------------- |
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Sat, 2 Jun 2018 - 18:57
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Member Group: Members Posts: 1,887 Joined: 16 Jul 2015 Member No.: 78,368 |
First edit your post and remove anything that may ID the driver.
Refer only to "the driver" did this or that. |
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Sat, 2 Jun 2018 - 19:47
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Member Group: Members Posts: 323 Joined: 5 Dec 2015 From: London Member No.: 81,055 |
First edit your post and remove anything that may ID the driver. Refer only to "the driver" did this or that. What else should I remove? the picture? I have covered the details except the dates and times. -------------------- |
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Sat, 2 Jun 2018 - 19:57
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Member Group: Members Posts: 13,735 Joined: 22 Oct 2007 Member No.: 14,720 |
First edit your post and remove anything that may ID the driver. Refer only to "the driver" did this or that. What else should I remove? the picture? I have covered the details except the dates and times. Leave the picture - it doesn't identify the driver. -------------------- |
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Sat, 2 Jun 2018 - 20:05
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Member Group: Members Posts: 323 Joined: 5 Dec 2015 From: London Member No.: 81,055 |
Anything else?
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Sun, 3 Jun 2018 - 20:24
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Member Group: Members Posts: 323 Joined: 5 Dec 2015 From: London Member No.: 81,055 |
What are your thoughts? Any line of defence or is it better to pay in this case?
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Sun, 3 Jun 2018 - 21:18
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Member Group: Members Posts: 647 Joined: 10 Oct 2017 Member No.: 94,458 |
You have blanked out key helpful information like dates! Also you need to publish the reverse side of the PCN if you want any help.
This post has been edited by Macapaca: Sun, 3 Jun 2018 - 21:21 |
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Sun, 3 Jun 2018 - 21:30
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Member Group: Members Posts: 323 Joined: 5 Dec 2015 From: London Member No.: 81,055 |
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Sun, 3 Jun 2018 - 21:52
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Member Group: Members Posts: 647 Joined: 10 Oct 2017 Member No.: 94,458 |
Photos and locations of signs?
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Sun, 3 Jun 2018 - 22:21
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Member Group: Members Posts: 323 Joined: 5 Dec 2015 From: London Member No.: 81,055 |
I think signs are at the entrance to the parking. This post has been edited by John Bravo: Sun, 3 Jun 2018 - 22:21 -------------------- |
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Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 07:34
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Member Group: Members Posts: 647 Joined: 10 Oct 2017 Member No.: 94,458 |
What do they say and are they readable? You are asking for help but not making it easy for anybody to help you. Unless anybody can identify a technical loophole you will be struggling to avoid paying.
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Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 08:40
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Member Group: Members Posts: 28,687 Joined: 27 Nov 2007 Member No.: 15,642 |
Before thinking of paying, have a look and find out if their court claims are very high. You can gauge your chances then!
Check out the BMPA PADI database. |
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Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 09:33
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Member Group: Members Posts: 323 Joined: 5 Dec 2015 From: London Member No.: 81,055 |
What do they say and are they readable? You are asking for help but not making it easy for anybody to help you. Unless anybody can identify a technical loophole you will be struggling to avoid paying. Unfortunately this was a one off visit to that place. I live 15 miles away on the other side of London. This is one of this cases where I went to a new place. As you can see they put signs all over the place, but I cannot get pictures of higher quality to show what is actually written on them. This is basically a shopping area: Tesco Metro, Pound and etc. Before thinking of paying, have a look and find out if their court claims are very high. You can gauge your chances then! Check out the BMPA PADI database. Please can I get the link to it? This post has been edited by John Bravo: Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 09:36 -------------------- |
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Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 10:11
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Member Group: Members Posts: 647 Joined: 10 Oct 2017 Member No.: 94,458 |
I appreciate it is 15 miles away but the signs define what contract you entered into.
http://www.parkingappeals.info/companydata...g_Services.html Currently indicating zero risk of Court!! There have been no cases going to court in 2018 and only 6 in 8000 in 2017. It is basically uneconomic for these companies to go to Court hence they generally don't bother no matter how many threats they issue. Toothless tigers! |
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Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 10:23
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Member Group: Members Posts: 323 Joined: 5 Dec 2015 From: London Member No.: 81,055 |
I appreciate it is 15 miles away but the signs define what contract you entered into. http://www.parkingappeals.info/companydata...g_Services.html Currently indicating zero risk of Court!! There have been no cases going to court in 2018 and only 6 in 8000 in 2017. It is basically uneconomic for these companies to go to Court hence they generally don't bother no matter how many threats they issue. Toothless tigers! I have found a thread on MoneySavingsExpert re the Harlsden Plaza and asked the man to share his pictures of the signage - his links to photos in the thread have expired. https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showth...d.php?t=5522845 What should I then do with these toothless tigers? Let them roar? -------------------- |
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Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 10:31
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Member Group: Members Posts: 647 Joined: 10 Oct 2017 Member No.: 94,458 |
Yes, let them roar. However it is worth getting those pictures if you can as it might identify a technicality which would put the tiger in the cage. Follow the appeals process but then ignore debt collection letters but keep copies of everything. Watch put for a LBA will will need to be formally responded to. It is quite entertaining watching a tiger gnash its gums!
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Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 12:04
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Member Group: Members Posts: 28,687 Joined: 27 Nov 2007 Member No.: 15,642 |
Signage is all that makes these into a "contracts" issue, and if the signs are missing, cant be read, dontt actuall offer a contract then there isnt a contract.
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Tue, 5 Jun 2018 - 10:57
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Member Group: Members Posts: 323 Joined: 5 Dec 2015 From: London Member No.: 81,055 |
Ok, what should I put as my representation then?
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Tue, 5 Jun 2018 - 11:03
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Member Group: Members Posts: 28,687 Joined: 27 Nov 2007 Member No.: 15,642 |
What has your research on here and MSE parking forum -> Newbies thread told you you should put in your appea;L/
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Tue, 5 Jun 2018 - 11:40
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Member Group: Members Posts: 323 Joined: 5 Dec 2015 From: London Member No.: 81,055 |
What has your research on here and MSE parking forum -> Newbies thread told you you should put in your appea;L/ I am going with the template from here: https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showth...d.php?t=4816822 and I attach pictures of two parking receipts for their consent so my overstay is 1h30min not 2h30min straight. -------------------- |
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