PCN Redbridge Council, Advice needed on process |
PCN Redbridge Council, Advice needed on process |
Guest_FinalFormPotato_* |
Tue, 19 Feb 2019 - 19:34
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Hi All, just found out about this site. I'll try make this post as easy as possible to read.
Received a PCN in redbridge in december for 'PARKING IN A RESTRICTED STREET DURING PRESCRIBED HOURS'. I was on a single yellow line at 17:10. Let me be clear there was NO sign on this road relating to parking and the road is NOT in a controlled parking zone. There was a post with a sign missing so I assume a sign was here in the past. Sent informal appeal along with all evidence and it was rejected giving assumptions as to why I received the PCN not facts. 'It is possible I was parked in a controlled parking zone' etc. I actually checked online and rang the council. Definately not a controlled parking zone. Just started formal appeal process today realistically they should know the sign is missing and see it from my photos. I took photos of most of the signs which were on street lights relating to littering and non working street lights. I also sent the photo of the post with the missing sign. Any advice on if this will be enough evidence? Also if it is rejected and I have to appeal to a tribunal, I am quite far from where the tribunal is and am not based in London. I also experience anxiety issues and it would be a nightmare if I did have to go there. Is there any way I could have it moved to a different location or other options? Hopefully they should see sense anyway and accept the formal appeal at the first formal stage. Thanks for your help. |
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Tue, 19 Feb 2019 - 19:34
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Tue, 19 Feb 2019 - 20:22
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Member Group: Members Posts: 21,015 Joined: 22 Apr 2012 Member No.: 54,455 |
As usual, (and the rule) for this forum, please post up the PCN, (all sides), redacting PCN Number, and car details. Leave everything else in. Also post up your reps and their response. From what you say they have failed to consider your reps, so have committed a "procedural impropriety", which can make their PCN void. If you are at the formal reps stage, then you have the Notice to Owner, and the discount option is no longer available, (unless they re-offer it). Going to London Tribunals has no additional cost, but the full PCN penalty is in play. It's a double-or-quits gamble really.
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Tue, 19 Feb 2019 - 20:43
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Member Group: Members Posts: 23,582 Joined: 12 Feb 2013 From: London Member No.: 59,924 |
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Guest_FinalFormPotato_* |
Tue, 19 Feb 2019 - 20:47
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My images are well over the 1.95mb limit.
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Tue, 19 Feb 2019 - 20:48
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Member Group: Members Posts: 23,582 Joined: 12 Feb 2013 From: London Member No.: 59,924 |
i posted just before with the solution.
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Guest_FinalFormPotato_* |
Tue, 19 Feb 2019 - 20:55
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I think ive done it.
https://ibb.co/0JYf0qz https://ibb.co/pyyRK2R https://ibb.co/LZKD5R7 https://ibb.co/6ZryysP https://ibb.co/zShMqdg https://ibb.co/qM6T4M2 https://ibb.co/XpPf46d https://ibb.co/N2J7Lt9 I think ive done it. https://ibb.co/0JYf0qz https://ibb.co/pyyRK2R https://ibb.co/LZKD5R7 https://ibb.co/6ZryysP https://ibb.co/zShMqdg https://ibb.co/qM6T4M2 https://ibb.co/XpPf46d https://ibb.co/N2J7Lt9 Sorry one more https://ibb.co/hc9tDtF |
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Tue, 19 Feb 2019 - 20:57
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Member Group: Members Posts: 23,582 Joined: 12 Feb 2013 From: London Member No.: 59,924 |
Sadly Bramley Crescent is in a CPZ - we've had a couple of other recent ones here.
Eg: http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=124423 |
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Guest_FinalFormPotato_* |
Tue, 19 Feb 2019 - 21:07
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Hi redbridge council cpz location shows that bramley crescent is NOT in a cpz and the council also confirmed this to me over the phone after checking the site themselves.
Here is proof it is not in a CPZ. The green icons are the CPZ's the green icons have borders when zoomed in you can check yourselves. The black arrow is bramley crescent and you can see no zone here. https://ibb.co/VwWXB3N |
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Tue, 19 Feb 2019 - 21:13
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Member Group: Members Posts: 23,582 Joined: 12 Feb 2013 From: London Member No.: 59,924 |
Yes this fooled some of us at first - but Redbridge only mark zones on their map where this is on-street residential parking. This is a zone with none. It is a possible appeal point as is of course whether you passed zone entry signs - what was your route?
This post has been edited by stamfordman: Tue, 19 Feb 2019 - 21:31 |
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Guest_FinalFormPotato_* |
Tue, 19 Feb 2019 - 21:18
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A12 going into london, first left (i think) at gants hill roundabout then first left onto bramley crescent.
Thing is ive already made my appeal now as shown in the image before last. Is it possible to change the appeal after already submitting? Edit also just found my call recording of someone at the council confirming it was not a controlled parking zone. Surely that must count for something? This post has been edited by FinalFormPotato: Tue, 19 Feb 2019 - 21:32 |
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Tue, 19 Feb 2019 - 21:37
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Member Group: Members Posts: 29,280 Joined: 16 Jan 2008 Member No.: 16,671 |
Point of entry March 2018.
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5748516,0.0...6384!8i8192 No signs -- but it's a red route so would mislead. Logically, they'd be inside the zone, where red route ends, so here - https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5756202,0.0...6384!8i8192 Still none. But was zone in existence then? -------------------- |
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Guest_FinalFormPotato_* |
Tue, 19 Feb 2019 - 21:40
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Sorry mate could you explain that a bit simpler please
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Guest_FinalFormPotato_* |
Tue, 19 Feb 2019 - 21:54
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Something else to add sorry for how jumbled this has become.
If the council had stated clearly i was in a CPZ i could of held my hands up and said well fair enough and paid the 55. However because they just said I MAY have been in one when I thought I wasnt. And the council on the phone saying there is not a CPZ there im now expected to pay 110. And as far as im aware im unable to change my appeal |
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Tue, 19 Feb 2019 - 22:07
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Member Group: Members Posts: 26,656 Joined: 6 Nov 2014 Member No.: 74,048 |
-------------------- All advice is given freely. It is given without guarantee and responsibility for its use rests with the user
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Tue, 19 Feb 2019 - 23:01
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Member Group: Members Posts: 29,280 Joined: 16 Jan 2008 Member No.: 16,671 |
Tallies with - http://moderngov.redbridge.gov.uk/document...view%20plan.pdf Is there possibly and argument they shouldn't put them there; a fast moving, always busy, major trunk route and with an overriding restriction? -------------------- |
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Guest_FinalFormPotato_* |
Wed, 20 Feb 2019 - 09:35
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So wheres the sign with the info about parking restrictions on a single yellow line because there still isnt one.
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Wed, 20 Feb 2019 - 09:45
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Member Group: Members Posts: 23,582 Joined: 12 Feb 2013 From: London Member No.: 59,924 |
So wheres the sign with the info about parking restrictions on a single yellow line because there still isnt one. ? It's a CPZ. Neil's point about the entry signs being on a 40mph (I think) dual carriageway is a good one in my view. There is nothing stopping you writing to council to update your appeal. |
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Wed, 20 Feb 2019 - 09:48
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Member Group: Members Posts: 1,174 Joined: 10 Aug 2006 From: Surrey Member No.: 7,080 |
There wouldn't be one if the SYL times match those of the CPZ.
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Wed, 20 Feb 2019 - 10:23
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Member Group: Members Posts: 35,156 Joined: 2 Aug 2008 From: Woking Member No.: 21,551 |
So wheres the sign with the info about parking restrictions on a single yellow line because there still isnt one.
Yes there is. A traffic authority may dispense with timeplates in each road subject to conditions. In this case the following apply: controlled parking zone” — (a)an area— (i)in which every part of every road is subject to a prohibition indicated by single or double yellow lines or single or double yellow kerb markings (except where parking spaces have been provided, where entrance to or exit from the road is made, where there is a prohibition or restriction on waiting, stopping, loading or unloading indicated by a different sign or where there is a crossing) whether or not an upright sign to indicate the same prohibition is placed in conjunction with the line or kerb marking; and (ii)into which each entrance for vehicular traffic has been indicated by the sign provided for at item 1 or 3 of the sign table in Part 3 of Schedule 5; http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/362/schedule/5/made This post has been edited by hcandersen: Wed, 20 Feb 2019 - 10:24 |
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Guest_FinalFormPotato_* |
Wed, 20 Feb 2019 - 11:16
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https://ibb.co/tMQFXTd
Council told me to email a change of appeal. Theres a screenshot of my email. I dont know if they will read that in time but please advise if a tribunal would accept those circumstances. Thank you for all your help |
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