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[NIP Wizard] Traffic light camera now speed camera without sign
Nice bloke
post Mon, 5 Feb 2018 - 10:52
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NIP Details and Circumstances
What is the name of the Constabulary? -
Date of the offence: - January 2018
Date of the NIP: - 5 days after the offence
Date you received the NIP: - 10 days after the offence
Location of offence (exact location as it appears on the NIP: important): - A13 Kents Hill Road, Benfleet
Was the NIP addressed to you? - Yes
Was the NIP sent by first class post, second class or recorded delivery? - Not known
If your are not the Registered Keeper, what is your relationship to the vehicle? -
How many current points do you have? - 6
Provide a description of events (if you know what happened) telling us as much about the incident as possible - some things that may seem trivial to you may be important, so don't leave anything out. Please do not post personal details for obvious reasons - Turns out that they have converted a red light camera to a speed one at this location. There are no speeding camera signs... just the old 'Traffic Signal Cameras' one.
I actually got pinged by the same camera the week before, but just accepted the NIP and 3 points without much thought.
I'm now thinking 6 points in quick succession from a camera without identification is a little harsh...


NIP Wizard Responses
These were the responses used by the Wizard to arrive at its recommendation:
Have you received a NIP? - Yes
Are you the Registered Keeper of the vehicle concerned (is your name and address on the V5/V5C)? - Yes
Did the first NIP arrive within 14 days? - Yes
Although you are the Registered Keeper, were you also the keeper of the vehicle concerned (the person normally responsible for it) at the time of the alleged offence? - Yes
Were you driving? - Yes
Which country did the alleged offence take place in? - England

NIP Wizard Recommendation
Based on these responses the Wizard suggested that this course of action should be considered:
  • The law requires you to provide the information requested in the Section 172 notice within the 28 day period, naming yourself as the driver. If you are considering obtaining formal legal advice, do so before returning the notice.

    You should note that there is nothing to be gained by responding any earlier than you have to at any stage of the process. You are likely to receive a Conditional Offer of a Fixed Penalty (COFP) and further reminder(s). If you want to continue the fight, you should ignore all correspondence from the police until you receive a summons. You need to understand from the outset that while you will receive much help and support from members on the forums, you will need to put time and effort into fighting your case and ultimately be prepared to stand up in court to defend yourself.

Generated by the PePiPoo NIP Wizard v3.3.2: Mon, 05 Feb 2018 10:52:07 +0000
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morrisman
post Mon, 5 Feb 2018 - 11:06
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Afraid there is no requirement to have camera warning signs.
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post Mon, 5 Feb 2018 - 11:24
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QUOTE (Nice bloke @ Mon, 5 Feb 2018 - 10:52) *
I'm now thinking 6 points in quick succession from a camera without identification is a little harsh...[/b]

Legally, you don't appear to have any legs to stand on. There's no requirement to give speeding motorists any warning of enforcement.

It's an extremely long shot but I presume you were clocked the second time before being made aware of the first incident? If so, you could appeal to their better side that you didn't have the opportunity to adjust your behavior. But they may simply point out the limit is signed correctly so no such warning is required.

Hopefully there's no more as others have been caught out and having faced totting bans.

A course will be offered if you qualify.

This post has been edited by Jlc: Mon, 5 Feb 2018 - 11:25


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RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution
PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information, SAR=Subject Access Request

Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it.
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Nice bloke
post Mon, 5 Feb 2018 - 12:23
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Thanks for the speedy replies... much appreciated.

Regular journey for me and figured out I actually sped up (a little) through the lights so that I didn't get the red light flash...

Behaviour changed, and I'll accept my punishment.
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