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HADECS 3 on the M3 (J4a to J2) are they working at the NSL?
Mpower
post Sun, 17 Sep 2017 - 17:52
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Hi,

I wonder if anyone can help?

I didn't think the cameras on the M3 worked unless the variable speed limit was in activation.

Today was flashed twice at around 93.......

If they are working any steer on likely fine and point?

Thanks very much
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QUOTE (Mpower @ Mon, 16 Oct 2017 - 09:48) *
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If you are the registered keeper at the time of DVLA enquiry then it seems you're in the clear.

Some might say a 'warning' flash has some effect. But the threshold may change in the future.


Yep I am the registered keeper, received a parking eye fine for an over stay in a car park last week within 3 days!

The warning flash has actually made me think, iv pedalled back my normal "cruising" speed on the motorway, so I guess its having the desired effect.


Is this what people are thinking...that they are warning flashes for 79mph + at the moment? I desperately hope so!
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post Mon, 16 Oct 2017 - 10:46
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It is rumoured that the threshold is significantly above the usual 79mph.


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post Mon, 16 Oct 2017 - 10:51
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Thanks I really hope so, and hope the flash was either headlights behind or a warning....9 days of nervousness left
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post Tue, 30 Jan 2018 - 12:58
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I remembered this thread last night while travelling south on the M3 between the M25 and J4.

We passed 2 roadside (rather than over lane gantry) signs indicating lane closures ahead with speed limits of 50 then 40.

Everyone slowed down to start with (most nowhere near 40 though) but soon sped up again.

We then passed under an over lane gantry with no signs on it and everyone was back up to full speed. I was a bit nervous about what the speed limit now was but we all then passed under a gantry with a camera and no-one got flashed.

Aren't there supposed to be NSL signs after a restriction?

I've also come across this on the M25 where you pass under a "blank" gantry after a speed limit.
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post Tue, 30 Jan 2018 - 13:03
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Yes there should be NSL after a restriction, yes you should be wary, when the limit could be said to have definitely ended is a grey area. The Hadecs will only trigger at an illuminated gantry.


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post Tue, 30 Jan 2018 - 13:05
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Tue, 30 Jan 2018 - 13:03) *
The Hadecs will only trigger at an illuminated gantry.


So not NSL?


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post Tue, 30 Jan 2018 - 13:21
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QUOTE (peterguk @ Tue, 30 Jan 2018 - 13:05) *
QUOTE (The Rookie @ Tue, 30 Jan 2018 - 13:03) *
The Hadecs will only trigger at an illuminated gantry.


So not NSL?


Sometimes do, sometimes don't. It's up to the local police force.
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post Tue, 30 Jan 2018 - 13:22
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QUOTE (mdann52 @ Tue, 30 Jan 2018 - 13:21) *
QUOTE (peterguk @ Tue, 30 Jan 2018 - 13:05) *
QUOTE (The Rookie @ Tue, 30 Jan 2018 - 13:03) *
The Hadecs will only trigger at an illuminated gantry.


So not NSL?


Sometimes do, sometimes don't. It's up to the local police force.


That's what i thought.


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post Tue, 30 Jan 2018 - 14:16
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QUOTE (ricoblade @ Tue, 30 Jan 2018 - 12:58) *
I remembered this thread last night while travelling south on the M3 between the M25 and J4.

We passed 2 roadside (rather than over lane gantry) signs indicating lane closures ahead with speed limits of 50 then 40.

Everyone slowed down to start with (most nowhere near 40 though) but soon sped up again.

We then passed under an over lane gantry with no signs on it and everyone was back up to full speed. I was a bit nervous about what the speed limit now was but we all then passed under a gantry with a camera and no-one got flashed.

Aren't there supposed to be NSL signs after a restriction?

I've also come across this on the M25 where you pass under a "blank" gantry after a speed limit.


I've seen this on the M3 as well, whereas usually on the M25 I see NSLs after a limit. I've wondered if it's anything to do with the distance between gantries?

It could also be that the restriction has been lifted before you get to the 'last' gantry so the NSL signs which were displayed on that one have been turned off before you see them.
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post Tue, 30 Jan 2018 - 14:21
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QUOTE (mazzer @ Tue, 30 Jan 2018 - 14:16) *
I've wondered if it's anything to do with the distance between gantries?


No.


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post Tue, 30 Jan 2018 - 14:51
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QUOTE (peterguk @ Tue, 30 Jan 2018 - 14:05) *
QUOTE (The Rookie @ Tue, 30 Jan 2018 - 13:03) *
The Hadecs will only trigger at an illuminated gantry.


So not NSL?

Bad phrasing, I meant for a limit below NSL, obviously it can trigger for a speed exceeding the NSL without illumination.


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post Tue, 30 Jan 2018 - 16:08
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Tue, 30 Jan 2018 - 14:51) *
QUOTE (peterguk @ Tue, 30 Jan 2018 - 14:05) *
QUOTE (The Rookie @ Tue, 30 Jan 2018 - 13:03) *
The Hadecs will only trigger at an illuminated gantry.


So not NSL?

Bad phrasing, I meant for a limit below NSL, obviously it can trigger for a speed exceeding the NSL without illumination.


Good to clarify for those less knowledgeable.


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post Wed, 31 Jan 2018 - 12:52
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QUOTE (mazzer @ Tue, 30 Jan 2018 - 14:16) *
QUOTE (ricoblade @ Tue, 30 Jan 2018 - 12:58) *
I remembered this thread last night while travelling south on the M3 between the M25 and J4.

We passed 2 roadside (rather than over lane gantry) signs indicating lane closures ahead with speed limits of 50 then 40.

Everyone slowed down to start with (most nowhere near 40 though) but soon sped up again.

We then passed under an over lane gantry with no signs on it and everyone was back up to full speed. I was a bit nervous about what the speed limit now was but we all then passed under a gantry with a camera and no-one got flashed.

Aren't there supposed to be NSL signs after a restriction?

I've also come across this on the M25 where you pass under a "blank" gantry after a speed limit.


I've seen this on the M3 as well, whereas usually on the M25 I see NSLs after a limit. I've wondered if it's anything to do with the distance between gantries?

It could also be that the restriction has been lifted before you get to the 'last' gantry so the NSL signs which were displayed on that one have been turned off before you see them.


If the restriction has been lifted (don't think that applied the other night as the cone trucks were waiting on the HS to start their work) then if you go under gantry with no limit displayed is it NSL by default. Otherwise the limit could be said to apply for many miles!
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post Wed, 31 Jan 2018 - 12:54
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QUOTE (ricoblade @ Wed, 31 Jan 2018 - 12:52) *
if you go under gantry with no limit displayed is it NSL by default.


Does that include the gantry this morning on the M1 that had no limit displayed - but the one before and the one after were showing 50mph?


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post Wed, 31 Jan 2018 - 13:02
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To the letter of the law the lower limit applies until its lifted by an NSL sign (or until it could be argued that the limit was no longer reasonably conveyed would be a defence - but that's a subjective assessment), one missing gantry isn't going to cut it, especially if you can already seen an illuminated next gantry.

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post Wed, 31 Jan 2018 - 13:05
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Wed, 31 Jan 2018 - 13:02) *
To the letter of the law the lower limit applies until its lifted by an NSL sign (or until it could be argued that the limit was no longer reasonably conveyed would be a defence), one missing gantry isn't going to cut it, especially if you can already seen an illuminated next gantry.


I know. I was making the point that no speed displayed = NSL after displayed lower limit is not necesarily true and should be treated with caution.

This post has been edited by peterguk: Wed, 31 Jan 2018 - 13:05


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post Wed, 31 Jan 2018 - 13:31
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QUOTE (peterguk @ Wed, 31 Jan 2018 - 14:05) *
QUOTE (The Rookie @ Wed, 31 Jan 2018 - 13:02) *
To the letter of the law the lower limit applies until its lifted by an NSL sign (or until it could be argued that the limit was no longer reasonably conveyed would be a defence), one missing gantry isn't going to cut it, especially if you can already seen an illuminated next gantry.


I know. I was making the point that no speed displayed = NSL after displayed lower limit is not necesarily true and should be treated with caution.

That reply was for Ricoblade who says otherwise 3 posts above me (I think, its a bit ambiguous).


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