Highways England mistake with speed limit, Convictions will stand |
Highways England mistake with speed limit, Convictions will stand |
Tue, 3 Sep 2019 - 11:51
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Member Group: Members Posts: 4,126 Joined: 31 Jan 2018 Member No.: 96,238 |
Highways England failed to lift temporary 20 mph speed limit on M5 imposed after earlier accident
Almost 100 drivers convicted of exceeding limit in subsequent 14 hours https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-74...ay-mistake.html |
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Tue, 3 Sep 2019 - 11:51
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Tue, 3 Sep 2019 - 14:32
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Member Group: Members Posts: 601 Joined: 7 May 2019 Member No.: 103,734 |
The message really should be "when there is a speed limit showing...THAT IS THE SPEED LIMIT...It matters not what the reason is"
It would completely undermine the variable speed limit system if reasons for the speed limit had to be communicated thereby making the speed limit conditional. The whole idea that a reason needs to be communicated or the driver needs to agree is simply bonkers. I understand that speed limits and variable speed limits are not popular, however any idea that limits are conditional and subject to agreement makes any sort of speed regulation unworkable. Whoever offered £50 compensation needs his head tested. This post has been edited by TryOut: Tue, 3 Sep 2019 - 14:32 |
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Tue, 3 Sep 2019 - 22:47
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‘Dragged to court’.
How is one dragged to court? Oh sorry Daily Fail. Should have realised. |
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Fri, 6 Sep 2019 - 06:38
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Member Group: Members Posts: 425 Joined: 4 Aug 2014 From: In the beautiful Chilterns Member No.: 72,309 |
Smart motorway. An oxymoron.
-------------------- Speed does not kill. It's more to do with how you stop.
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Fri, 6 Sep 2019 - 09:27
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Member Group: Members Posts: 56,198 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
This would have been a good test case for AF's argument that if the decision to lower the limit (or keep it low) was wholly unreasonable, would it then be enforceable (short summary of his full argument).
-------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
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Sat, 14 Sep 2019 - 22:21
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Member Group: Members Posts: 1,570 Joined: 13 May 2010 Member No.: 37,524 |
Reminds me of the time a 40MPH sign was showing on the M1, there appeared no reason for it, but I drove at 40MPH.
I was hooted and bullied by all and sundry including HGV's, I still kept to the limit until the signs were no more. |
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Sun, 15 Sep 2019 - 02:37
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Member Group: Members Posts: 4,126 Joined: 31 Jan 2018 Member No.: 96,238 |
Orange advisory signs instead of actual speed limits cause a lot of confusion
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Sun, 15 Sep 2019 - 07:23
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Member Group: Members Posts: 56,198 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
Given the general ignorance of the Highway Code most signs cause confusion!
-------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
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Sun, 15 Sep 2019 - 08:20
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Member Group: Members Posts: 4,126 Joined: 31 Jan 2018 Member No.: 96,238 |
The cameras alone are enough to cause confusion and create a hazard for the truly incompetent
Was in a queue a couple of days ago behind somebody who slowed to 25 mph for every camera regardless of the speed limit |
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Sun, 15 Sep 2019 - 10:18
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Member Group: Members Posts: 25,726 Joined: 28 Jun 2010 From: Area 51 Member No.: 38,559 |
The cameras alone are enough to cause confusion and create a hazard for the truly incompetent Was in a queue a couple of days ago behind somebody who slowed to 25 mph for every camera regardless of the speed limit Don't even need the cameras, just the camera signs for some to slow to 10mph below the limit. Often members of the MLOC when on motorways but they exist on normal roads as well. Often found in the outside lane on dual carriageways. And as said, slam the anchors on whenever they actually see a camera. I was intrigued the other day by one of the opposite lot. Average speed camera section on a main road in Birmingham.... 30mph limit. I'm coming up to the camera section at about the limit, guy flies past me, brakes heavily for the camera, then accelerates again. I suspect another statistic on the fines issued ledger. |
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Sun, 15 Sep 2019 - 10:34
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Member Group: Members Posts: 6,963 Joined: 19 Dec 2006 From: Near Calais Member No.: 9,683 |
Highways England is the most incompetent organisation I know of when it comes to the mis-use of these temporary speed signs. I fully understand the need for them when there's an incident to protect workers on the road, but I've suffered on almost a weekly basis mis-management of said signs on the M25. Mile after mile of 50 or less when the road is perfectly clear at silly-o-clock in the early hours encourages drivers to ignore them.
I've questioned with HE why signs are on and they come up with the same bland replies. There needs to be a shake-up of their procedures to get it right. |
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Sun, 15 Sep 2019 - 20:50
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,006 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
This would have been a good test case for AF's argument that if the decision to lower the limit (or keep it low) was wholly unreasonable, would it then be enforceable (short summary of his full argument). I entirely agree with this. Here you have a case where you don't need to prove the decision to impose the limit was Wednesbury unreasonable, the highway authority is openly admitting the limit should never have been imposed. Not much chance of anyone bothering at this point, it's a shame none of the affected motorists came here at the time. -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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