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Highways England mistake with speed limit, Convictions will stand
Redivi
post Tue, 3 Sep 2019 - 11:51
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Highways England failed to lift temporary 20 mph speed limit on M5 imposed after earlier accident

Almost 100 drivers convicted of exceeding limit in subsequent 14 hours

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-74...ay-mistake.html

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TryOut
post Tue, 3 Sep 2019 - 14:32
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The message really should be "when there is a speed limit showing...THAT IS THE SPEED LIMIT...It matters not what the reason is"

It would completely undermine the variable speed limit system if reasons for the speed limit had to be communicated thereby making the speed limit conditional. The whole idea that a reason needs to be communicated or the driver needs to agree is simply bonkers.

I understand that speed limits and variable speed limits are not popular, however any idea that limits are conditional and subject to agreement makes any sort of speed regulation unworkable.

Whoever offered £50 compensation needs his head tested.

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post Tue, 3 Sep 2019 - 22:47
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‘Dragged to court’.

How is one dragged to court?

Oh sorry Daily Fail. Should have realised.
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post Fri, 6 Sep 2019 - 06:38
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Smart motorway. An oxymoron.


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post Fri, 6 Sep 2019 - 09:27
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This would have been a good test case for AF's argument that if the decision to lower the limit (or keep it low) was wholly unreasonable, would it then be enforceable (short summary of his full argument).


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post Sat, 14 Sep 2019 - 22:21
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Reminds me of the time a 40MPH sign was showing on the M1, there appeared no reason for it, but I drove at 40MPH.

I was hooted and bullied by all and sundry including HGV's, I still kept to the limit until the signs were no more.
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post Sun, 15 Sep 2019 - 02:37
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Orange advisory signs instead of actual speed limits cause a lot of confusion
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post Sun, 15 Sep 2019 - 07:23
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Given the general ignorance of the Highway Code most signs cause confusion!


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post Sun, 15 Sep 2019 - 08:20
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The cameras alone are enough to cause confusion and create a hazard for the truly incompetent

Was in a queue a couple of days ago behind somebody who slowed to 25 mph for every camera regardless of the speed limit
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post Sun, 15 Sep 2019 - 10:18
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QUOTE (Redivi @ Sun, 15 Sep 2019 - 09:20) *
The cameras alone are enough to cause confusion and create a hazard for the truly incompetent

Was in a queue a couple of days ago behind somebody who slowed to 25 mph for every camera regardless of the speed limit

Don't even need the cameras, just the camera signs for some to slow to 10mph below the limit.
Often members of the MLOC when on motorways but they exist on normal roads as well.
Often found in the outside lane on dual carriageways.
And as said, slam the anchors on whenever they actually see a camera.


I was intrigued the other day by one of the opposite lot.
Average speed camera section on a main road in Birmingham.... 30mph limit.
I'm coming up to the camera section at about the limit, guy flies past me, brakes heavily for the camera, then accelerates again.
I suspect another statistic on the fines issued ledger.
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post Sun, 15 Sep 2019 - 10:34
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Highways England is the most incompetent organisation I know of when it comes to the mis-use of these temporary speed signs. I fully understand the need for them when there's an incident to protect workers on the road, but I've suffered on almost a weekly basis mis-management of said signs on the M25. Mile after mile of 50 or less when the road is perfectly clear at silly-o-clock in the early hours encourages drivers to ignore them.

I've questioned with HE why signs are on and they come up with the same bland replies. There needs to be a shake-up of their procedures to get it right.
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post Sun, 15 Sep 2019 - 20:50
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Fri, 6 Sep 2019 - 10:27) *
This would have been a good test case for AF's argument that if the decision to lower the limit (or keep it low) was wholly unreasonable, would it then be enforceable (short summary of his full argument).

I entirely agree with this. Here you have a case where you don't need to prove the decision to impose the limit was Wednesbury unreasonable, the highway authority is openly admitting the limit should never have been imposed.

Not much chance of anyone bothering at this point, it's a shame none of the affected motorists came here at the time.


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